Have you seen these?

[ironhat]

Have you seen these from Lamello? Do you think that they are any more than a different way to use bisquits, dowels and take down mechanisms?

[cabinetman]

It's a high priced fastener. It's a version of a corrugated fastener that's been used for as long as I can remember. I use an air gun for the fastener but it can be hammered in. The principle is that the design pulls two parts together.
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[Black wallnut]

It's a high priced fastener. It's a version of a corrugated fastener that's been used for as long as I can remember. I use an air gun for the fastener but it can be hammered in. The principle is that the design pulls two parts together.
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Bold added by me. I think you are partly correct in that it is somewhat like a corrugated fastener however corrugated fasteners are designed to hold parts together not draw them together as the Lamello device. I think the intended market is quite different between the two also.

[cabinetman]

Bold added by me. I think you are partly correct in that it is somewhat like a corrugated fastener however corrugated fasteners are designed to hold parts together not draw them together as the Lamello device. I think the intended market is quite different between the two also.

The corrugated fasteners I use are designed by the shape of the cut to pull parts together, not just hold, as I stated. As they are driven in you can see the parts tighten together.
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[Black wallnut]

The corrugated fasteners I use are designed by the shape of the cut to pull parts together, not just hold, as I stated. As they are driven in you can see the parts tighten together.
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Then perhaps you should have linked to them The ones you linked to are exactly like the cheap ones I've used and found used in poorly made window screens and they only hold, and that is only if they do not split the wood. By the way I was not aware that they made them with tapered ridges, do now.

[RayintheUK]

The OP asked a question:

Have you seen these from Lamello? Do you think that they are any more than a different way to use bisquits, dowels and take down mechanisms?

The question was answered (my emboldening):

It's a high priced fastener. It's a version of a corrugated fastener that's been used for as long as I can remember. I use an air gun for the fastener but it can be hammered in. The principle is that the design pulls two parts together.

You clearly did not read the answer before replying:

I think you are partly correct in that it is somewhat like a corrugated fastener however corrugated fasteners are designed to hold parts together not draw them together as the Lamello device. I think the intended market is quite different between the two also.

"Somewhat like" equates to "a version of" in my book. How can you know what fasteners Cabinetman uses, in order that you can state that he is "partly correct"? The intended markets are irrelevant.

Then perhaps you should have linked to them

Why? (and what is supposed to be "cool" about that comment?) The OP was asking about the Lamello fasteners, not seeking an alternative.

As a well-intentioned reminder, please note that "moderator" in computing realms means "A person, or small group of people, who manages a moderated mailing list or newsgroup. Moderators are responsible for determining which email submissions are passed on to the list or newsgroup."

You seem to be using the 1398 definition of "ruler, governor." I look forward to your suggestions as to the content of my future postings with interest.
(c.c. Sam Conder).

Ray

[Bruce Cohen]

You seem to be using the 1398 definition of "ruler, governor." I look forward to your suggestions as to the content of my future postings with interest.
(c.c. Sam Conder).

Ray

Hey Ray,

You're "right on", I take back all the terrible things I've ever said about Brit cooking.

Way to go!!!

Bruce

[Black wallnut]

Yeah, whatever Ray! The fact of the matter is Cabinetman linked to a fastener that does not do as he suggests, it simply just holds two pieces together. The vendor whose site Cman links to also gives no indication that they are either of the two types. I edited in that I was unaware of there being more than one type of corrugated fastener. Did I learn that from what Cman posted, uhhh nope I had to research it myself. Cman could have found a better link.

[RayintheUK]

Yeah, whatever Ray!

Thanks for that - much appreciated.

It's a high priced fastener. It's a version of a corrugated fastener that's been used for as long as I can remember. I use an air gun for the fastener but it can be hammered in. The principle is that the design pulls two parts together.

I read this post as "the principle of the design" being referred to was the Lamello fastener, the subject of the thread, not the "version of" link to the corrugated fastner.

The clue is in the sentence "used for as long as I can remember" - which clearly does NOT apply to the Lamello fasteners discussed, but does apply to the corrugated ones.

Still, what do I know?

(Other than I shan't be contributing to this thread any further)

Ray

[Black wallnut]

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As a well-intentioned reminder, please note that "moderator" in computing realms means "A person, or small group of people, who manages a moderated mailing list or newsgroup. Moderators are responsible for determining which email submissions are passed on to the list or newsgroup."

You seem to be using the 1398 definition of "ruler, governor." I look forward to your suggestions as to the content of my future postings with interest.
(c.c. Sam Conder).

Ray

Now for a couple of friendly reminders. We forum Staff members are all just regular posters most of the time, as was the case in this thread. There was no moderation what-so-ever of this thread. Please do not attempt to imitate a moderator in your posts! If you do not agree with something that is posted feel free to disagree however accusing another member of not reading a post prior to a reply seems a bit over the top to me. This seems to me to be a case of a difference of interpratation of what Cabinetman posted along with a misunderstanding of what I posted.

The nature of forums is that we are all human, well most of us anyway, and we do make mistakes. We also do sometimes learn new things. C-mans reply to my first one served to teach me something I had not know. I even think I said so in my next reply.

[pelligrini]

Have you seen these from Lamello? Do you think that they are any more than a different way to use bisquits, dowels and take down mechanisms?

Not to distract from the previous banter... but, I haven't seen them. They don't look too cheap though. Rockler has them for $5 an 8-pack. They added some directional ridges to draw the pieces togeather. I wouldn't use them.

[cgallery]

Not to distract from the previous banter... but, I haven't seen them. They don't look too cheap though. Rockler has them for $5 an 8-pack. They added some directional ridges to draw the pieces togeather. I wouldn't use them.

I saw them used on an episode of NYW, or Woodsmith Shop, or something like that. Or maybe it was an online video demo.

I do remember being impressed w/ how rigid them made the joint.

BTW, the item Cabinetman mentions was used in my kitchen cabinets (by the manufacturer). They used them to hold the face frames to the boxes. These specific ones seem to be used in a gun, I remember seeing some talk about them at woodnet (I think) and it is a spendy ($$$) system, but apparently very fast and very strong. And apparently pretty popular in commercial shops and manufacturing.

[pelligrini]

And apparently pretty popular in commercial shops and manufacturing.

So is pressboard, wire staples and plastic..

I can see their uses though. It does look like a quick system for joining.

[master53yoda]

I'm almost reluctant to get on this but I think it might help. in the picture blow of a high end corrugated fasteneryou will see that the center has a bend between 9 and 13 this bend angles the main corrugations out from the center. as they are driven in this bend straightens out and draws in the joint together.

Part of the problem is that the cheapies that you can buy don't have the center bend and only hold a joint, not draw it as was commented on. The style above of corrugated fastener is used in the air driven fasteners. the high priced fasteners are marketed and work the same.

If you need a lot of them just buy the ones for the gun and pop them apart and drive them in.?????? should work.