Modding T4 router--input please

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  • cgallery
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2004
    • 4503
    • Milwaukee, WI
    • BT3K

    #1

    Modding T4 router--input please

    I wanted a small (1-HP) plunge router with good dust collection. My choices were limited: The Trend T4 (available for $80 to $130 depending on where you find it).

    [Link to Trend T4 router]

    Of course, I went with the T4.

    The T4 is the replacement to the T3. The T4 adds a more powerful (850-watts instead of 500-ish watts). It also adds a spindle lock and a couple of other improvements. It is variable speed (though I think the T3 was as well).

    One thing they didn't address (or didn't get right) was the plunge action. I've read that the T3 had some play in the plunge (I've never tried one). I figured maybe they'd fix this in the T4, but it could be better.

    I should note that when locked, the bit is perfectly square to the base. The problem really seems to be between the posts and the bushings (only one of which seems to have a steel insert--kinda weird) and only while plunging.

    Now, I could return the router and get something else. But like I said, there are really no other products that fit all my needs. For $99, I'm happy to make some adjustments.

    Anyway, I took it apart and figured I'd investigate options to tightening the action up. My thought is to spread a very thin layer of epoxy mixed with graphite powder (in a 10:1 mixture), to the insides of the bushings. I'd do this towards the top and bottom of both the left and right bushings. I figure I can take my time and start with minuscule amounts and build it until it is "just right."

    I've never attempted anything like this before (well that isn't entirely true, I modifiy many of my tools). I do know that graphite mixed with epoxy is often used as an emergency bearing surface for field repairs. It is quite slick and very durable. And I wouldn't even be asking that much of it (no rotation, just sliding).

    But perhaps I'm overlooking another simpler solution (and don't suggest returning it, I'm committed to making this one better).

    Any thoughts?
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  • LarryG
    The Full Monte
    • May 2004
    • 6693
    • Off The Back
    • Powermatic PM2000, BT3100-1

    #2
    Is there sufficient room for a strip of adhesive-backed UHMW tape? This would not have necessarily have to go all the way around the plunge rod ... it could be a narrow strip, just enough to take up the slack (although that might throw the bit off-center enough to be objectionable).

    The plunge action might tend to scrap the tape off, although that might be avoided by folding the upper end over onto the top of the plunge rod.
    Larry

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    • AlanWS
      Established Member
      • Dec 2003
      • 257
      • Shorewood, WI.

      #3
      Could you drill and tap, and insert brass machine screws to take up the slack? These could adjust, and lock into position with a nut.
      Alan

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      • cgallery
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2004
        • 4503
        • Milwaukee, WI
        • BT3K

        #4
        Ahhh. Larry G and I must be thinking alike today.

        Before I left for work I took a piece of ribbon (gift wrapping). I was able to assemble the plunge base with the ribbon between the post and the bushing. The ribbon is .006" (I think) thick and approx. 3/8" wide. It took most of the play out of the plunging.

        So when I got to work I discovered that McMaster sells .0045 and .0065" thick UHMW tape (among other thicknesses) that is 1/2" wide. So I've ordered those and I will attempt to use the tape to line the bushing.

        I also noticed that removing the spring on one side makes the unit act in a more linear (but perhaps slightly crooked) fashion.

        I'm hopeful the UHMW tape works. If it does, this is gonna be one sweet plunge router. The only problem has been the play in the plunge. On the plus side it is nicely balanced, has plenty of power, has a dust collection shroud you can leave on while changing bits, has a better spindle lock design than my big DeWalt, etc. And you can apparently get these for as little as $85 (according to someone at woodnet.net).

        Oh, the other downside: Power cord is only six feet.

        I'll post back after trying the tape.

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        • cgallery
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2004
          • 4503
          • Milwaukee, WI
          • BT3K

          #5
          Originally posted by AlanWS
          Could you drill and tap, and insert brass machine screws to take up the slack? These could adjust, and lock into position with a nut.
          Ohhh, that is another good idea. If the UHMW tape doesn't work, I'll explore that avenue. I believe I've seen set screws that have nylon tips, that would work pretty well for this application.

          Thanks for the idea!

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          • L. D. Jeffries
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2005
            • 747
            • Russell, NY, USA.
            • Ryobi BT3000

            #6
            Long story-short: I bought the Trend 4 to replace a GriZZly palm router that wasn't all that good. The T-4 I got has a nice tight plunge action, that is no play. Have you been in touch with Trend about your problem? You might want to send it back for a replacement.
            RuffSawn
            Nothin' smells better than fresh sawdust!

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            • cgallery
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2004
              • 4503
              • Milwaukee, WI
              • BT3K

              #7
              Originally posted by L. D. Jeffries
              Long story-short: I bought the Trend 4 to replace a GriZZly palm router that wasn't all that good. The T-4 I got has a nice tight plunge action, that is no play. Have you been in touch with Trend about your problem? You might want to send it back for a replacement.
              For the record, what I've experienced isn't a lot of slop. But when the router is in the full-up position, I can wiggle the tip of my bit around quite a bit. On my DeWalt DW618 plunge base, there is absolutely no side-to-side play. On the Trend, I'd say I can wiggle the tip of my spiral bit between 1/64" and 1/128". As it plunges, it does tighten up. And as I lock the assembly, the wiggle disappears.

              I had assumed that because I had read a report of sloppy plunge on the T3, and then having gotten a T4 with sloppy plunge, that the problem was just intrinsic with this design. After all, there is only a single, 1" long bushing on the left-hand column. The right-hand column has no actual bushing, they just machined the plunge housing to accept the column. But the bore in the plunge base is about .008" larger than the O.D. of the column.

              Anyway, seeing as yours is no-slop, I did just call Trend and explained what I had experienced and the technical support guy seemed surprised that there was slop on a T4. His advice was to use it a while and see if the slop goes away. Of course, it won't. He said I could call him back on Monday and he could probably send out a new plunge assembly, so that is probably what I'll do. In the meantime I can continue to play with this one.

              Thanks for the help, sorry my story wasn't so short.

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              • siliconbauhaus
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2006
                • 925
                • hagerstown, md

                #8
                I've been wanting to get one of those but everywhere I've looked to buy one they've been sold out.
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                • L. D. Jeffries
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 747
                  • Russell, NY, USA.
                  • Ryobi BT3000

                  #9
                  Originally posted by siliconbauhaus
                  I've been wanting to get one of those but everywhere I've looked to buy one they've been sold out.
                  You can order direct from the company..that's how I got mine. The URL is "www.trend-uk.com. Lots of other stuff as well.
                  RuffSawn
                  Nothin' smells better than fresh sawdust!

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