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  • cgallery
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2004
    • 4503
    • Milwaukee, WI
    • BT3K

    #1

    HF mini DC not to shabby

    Some time ago I purchased one of those little Harbor Freight mini portable dust collectors. I got a helluva deal on it ($70 after stacking some discounts). It is this one:

    http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=94029

    It sat unused for a while because I was pretty happy with my Ridgid vac-based cyclone.

    HF claims 914-CFM and 9.4" of SP. We know that the CFM is nonsense, though. It has a single 4" inlet. According to BP a 4" pipe can carry about 400-CFM. My somewhat scientific testing (Loring will enlighten you on how far off these #'s can be, but at least I used two different anemometers) seems to indicate that this unit pulls about 370-CFM.

    This unit is only twenty pounds but achieves some pretty impressive specs by using a universal motor spinning a small airfoil type impeller at 6400-RPM (typical DC's use radial impellers spinning at half that speed).

    So I decided I'd build a larger cyclone separator and start using it. I started w/ a 30-gallon can and an MDF top. Added 4" fittings and my baffle and did some additional testing. I was happy to discover that adding the cyclone lid only causes an 18% hit to my CFM. That is fantastic by any cyclone standard.

    I also had a chance to try connecting the entire assembly to my router table's downdraft box. I had to do this with a 2.25" reducer to a 2.25" hose, so NOT optimum. I was stunned to discover that airflow through the tiny (1.5"?) aperture in my router lift was sucking plenty of air. I had always imagined that real dust collectors would have difficulty moving air through such small holes, but this clearly isn't so, plenty of SP here.

    I did limited testing with actual dust because I only have the stock (30-micron) bag filter for the DC at this time. It was able to separate 98.7% (by weight) of the dust I fed it (mostly fines left over from machining MDF and hardboard). It was perhaps a little better but I did have difficulty gathering all the dust from the garbage can when I was done with the test. Again, I only claim quack science in my methods.

    I had previously posted that the DC is noisy. It still is. Part of that is the noise form the air movement, but certainly part of it is the universal motor, too. Still impressed with what a $70 machine can do, though. While this still doesn't provide the 600-800 CFM that some say is needed for fines collection, it is providing over twice the CFM of my current solution and is still compact enough to use, so it will become my new DC until I can make my giant separator lid with 6" outlet and twin 4" inlets, and run 6" PVC to my tools (yeah, right).
    Last edited by cgallery; 01-02-2008, 01:47 PM.
  • ragswl4
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 1559
    • Winchester, Ca
    • C-Man 22114

    #2
    Nice job. I would think this a good option for those who do not have the space for one of the big DCs.
    RAGS
    Raggy and Me in San Felipe
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    • LinuxRandal
      Veteran Member
      • Feb 2005
      • 4890
      • Independence, MO, USA.
      • bt3100

      #3
      Where did you get the angled fittings on the top? I am finding more straight up and down ones (maybe the others sell out before I get there).


      Thanks
      She couldn't tell the difference between the escape pod, and the bathroom. We had to go back for her.........................Twice.

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      • cgallery
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2004
        • 4503
        • Milwaukee, WI
        • BT3K

        #4
        Originally posted by LinuxRandal
        Where did you get the angled fittings on the top? I am finding more straight up and down ones (maybe the others sell out before I get there).

        Thanks
        I got those at Woodcraft (I have a local store). They are part #144654. They also sell a version for 2-1/2 hose that is identical, just smaller. I don't have a part # handy for that one, but if you need it and can't find it let me know.

        BTW, others (like Peachtree) sell a version of the 4" hose fitting that is nowhere near as nice. It is too long and thin, and really isn't suitable for how I need to use them. The Woodcraft ones are much nicer. The funny thing is, other shops that carry the 2-1/2 version often don't carry the 4" version, and I believe they are made by the same factory.

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        • LinuxRandal
          Veteran Member
          • Feb 2005
          • 4890
          • Independence, MO, USA.
          • bt3100

          #5
          Originally posted by cgallery
          I got those at Woodcraft (I have a local store). They are part #144654. They also sell a version for 2-1/2 hose that is identical, just smaller. I don't have a part # handy for that one, but if you need it and can't find it let me know.

          BTW, others (like Peachtree) sell a version of the 4" hose fitting that is nowhere near as nice. It is too long and thin, and really isn't suitable for how I need to use them. The Woodcraft ones are much nicer. The funny thing is, other shops that carry the 2-1/2 version often don't carry the 4" version, and I believe they are made by the same factory.

          I've seen the 2 1/2 locally and things that were advertised as available at my local Woodcraft, haven't always been carried here (I went for the gate operated dust collection power interupter and they said they hadn't carried it for years). Thanks.

          I am printing this off, and if they don't have it locally, at least I can order it from them with the part numbers. That helps.
          She couldn't tell the difference between the escape pod, and the bathroom. We had to go back for her.........................Twice.

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          • jhgrady
            Established Member
            • Jul 2003
            • 297
            • Alexandria, Va, USA.

            #6
            Cgallery

            Thanks for the heads up on the HF mini DC. I bought one yesterday and plan to make a cyclone separator based on your design.

            BTW, I joined their Inside Track Club and was able to get the mini DC for $65.00

            John

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            • BenW
              Forum Newbie
              • Jan 2007
              • 10

              #7
              Horizontal mount? 5 gal cyclone?

              Thanks for the great review on the HF dust collector. Picked one up myself a couple months back, since there was a similar deal & I needed something small.

              Has been working just great for me in my small shop (1-car garage where I generally still park the car, too). In there I've got a permanent work bench, and the DC stays underneath it, oriented so the bag inflates out into the work area, but tucks away easily for parking.

              I've got it setup with 15' of 2-1/2" clear hose (reduced from the 4" intake right at the DC) and I move the hose from tool to tool as needed (I pull out each tool as needed, too, but can get most all set up at once). With a remote switch, makes setup/moving/use/takedown pretty easy which I really appreciate 'cause I do it a lot. Tried 4" hose, but was just too bulky to store or move around reasonably.

              Question #1: Because of space issues I bolted my unit high up under the work table oriented horizontally, with the intake facing down instead of sitting as shown in the picture with it facing sideways. Wondering if (a) any difference (reduction) in suction/performance could be expected and (b) the bearings, etc. in the mechanism would be harmed with it not sitting upright as designed/shipped. I figure "no" on both counts but obviously am not sure or I wouldn't be asking. It does seem to make some vibrational noise sometimes, so I wonder if I'm wrecking it.

              Question #2: Shavings from my planer don't make it through the intake's built-in safety screen so it clogs (even before horizontal mount and with 4" hose all the way from planer to DC). I'm considering adding a 5-gal bucket with 2-stage lid right next to the DC intake, but from posts here am wondering if this unit is too strong for that to be useful. Do not have room for larger cyclone, sadly. Here are two options I'm considering, liking the HF one better for the built-in 2 1/2" connectors vs. need for sealant, etc. in the Rockler reviews but interested in opinions either way.

              http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=9586

              http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?O...Select=Reviews


              I also give a thumbs-up to this DC unit. Works GREAT with my Sears-version BT. Better than shop vac ever did, for sure.

              Thanks for any input.
              --Ben

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