The Groz #4 is Gross--Long

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  • scmhogg
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2003
    • 1839
    • Simi Valley, CA, USA.
    • BT3000

    #1

    The Groz #4 is Gross--Long

    Despite being warned by the more plane proficient members, I bought the $26.95/free shipping Groz #4 from Amazon.

    Well, it came in a bath of cosmoline. Enough to shame even HF. A pint of mineral spirits and a stack of rags later, I was able to see what was under there.

    There were very few flat surfaces on this plane. I started with the sole on my 1/2" sheet of glass and sandpaper. My arms and shoulders are pumped up like a weight lifter. As suggested by Lee's sharpening book, I quit when the two ends and the front of the mouth were flat. I'd still be out there otherwise.

    A question for you plane guys--Can you use a bench top belt sander to flatten a sole??

    The frog had no planar surfaces--back to the sandpaper. One of the most alarming things was the screws that hold the frog were all chewed up like someone tried to use the wrong sized screw driver to do the assembly. With all the grease, I find it hard to believe that it was used or a return.

    The iron had been ground to 25 degrees with the equivilent of 60 to 80 grit. There was also a small nick on it, right out of the box. The chip breaker had the same finish as the bevel, but, it did fit correctly. Flattening the back of the iron and getting rid of the nick and polishing it up took another hour. Who needs a gym.

    The real star here was my MarkII sharpeneing guide from Veritas. It is so much better than my old one. I went through the grits to 1000 and honed on a leather strop with Tripoli rouge. I was able to get a mirror like surface on the bevel.

    Now the surprise. The plane worked great. See through shavings on Walnut and Maple.

    How long the iron will hold an edge is still an open question. But I am surprised.

    Steve
    I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong. Bertrand Russell
  • HarmsWay
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2003
    • 878
    • Victoria, BC
    • BT3000

    #2
    I not surprised that you could tune a rough plane. From what I understand (because my personal experience is limited), the biggest difference between a Groz (or similar) plane and a Veritas (or similar) plane is how much tuning they require when you get them home. Both can be tuned to work very well. It's just that the tuning takes minutes with the Veritas and 10 of minutes (hours) with a cheaper plane not to mention more skill.

    Plus, a newbie can start using a Veritas plane right out of the box. You may not get great results but you'll get results that better match your actual abilities. If I need to do a bunch of tuning first then get crappy results, is it because of my tuning or my planing? Well, that's my experience anyway. I struggled for a few years trying to use a new Stanley plane and hated it. Then I borrowed a friend's Veritas plane and understood how it was supposed to work. I've bought a few for myself since and smile every time I use them. I might be capable of tuning a rough plane now.

    Did you take before and after pictures of the Groz?

    Bob

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    • jonathan55
      Established Member
      • Jun 2005
      • 119
      • Cleveland, Ohio, USA.
      • BT3100

      #3
      I am what you might call a hand plane newby. I bought the Groz low angle block plane and found it really easy to set up (about 15 minutes of tinkering). For the first time I got those beautiful see through shavings. I am impressed and thinking about buying the #4.

      Jonathan

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