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  • linear
    Senior Member
    • May 2004
    • 612
    • DeSoto, KS, USA.
    • Ryobi BT3100

    #1

    I never saw it coming

    You guys didn't warn me. Maybe I should have suspected it from some posts, but I have now fallen to one of the most insidious tool inflictions known to the tool-wielding species.

    Hand plane psychosis.

    It started innocently enough, like these stories always seem to. I had been making some boxes using rabbets lateley, and it occured to me "gosh, one of those old-fashioned plane thingies would be just the thing to trim that end grain that's ever so slightly proud." I couldn't really justify it, but then one of Doug Stowe's books showed hm using a block plane to flush up some inlay, and I got to thinking "gosh inlay isn't all that big a deal and would add a lot to my projects, but I am gonna need me one of them old-fashioned iron thingies he's using to trim it up."

    And I read a little more and figured that I should get a block plane to start with.

    And then that cursed event, the arrival of the Woodcraft flyer in the mail. If only my wife had discarded it before I got a chance to... but that's wishful thinking now.

    Tempted by that 20 dollar Groz plane in this month's issue, I read some more. I figured three things out: 1) there's a lot to learn, so rehabbing an antique is not for me at this point, 2) I want to use the thing, not spend hours tuning it so the Groz is out, and 3) a good plane is a lifetime investment (see, the signs of psychosis, they're already evident...).

    Those insidious Woodcraft people also had a very shiny looking plane on sale from some fancy-sounding company. I looked into it. Oh, made in the USA (wow, that's uncommon). These are evidently well-thought-of tools. It seemed as if the real bargain was to get the good plane. After all, I value my time, and aim to do woodwork, not metalwork. It all seemed so clear. What could it hurt, just another tool...

    I never saw it coming.

    I unboxed the thing and made several awkward passes at some cutoffs I had saved. I fiddled with the knobs. I adjusted and swiped and listened. Pretty soon, I heard this sound: ssssp. I stopped. A couple more passes, ssssp ssssp.

    Oh.

    Now this isn't to say that my technique is even adequate. But suddenly it all came to me in a flood. I need a workbench. And more of these old-fashioned iron thingies. Yes. Oh they come in so many different flavors. And sharpening gizmos and honing jigs and leather stops and...

    This thing is gonna cost me a fortune. A real bargain this thing was. You guys shoulda told me.

    Anyhow, the moral of the story is: Don't buy one of those fancy expensive planes (in particular the Lie-Nielsen low angle, adjustable mouth block plane that's on sale at Woodcraft this month). The precision, the quality of the expeience, it's just a little too much for us power tool guys. You will be sucked in, like so much dust into a cyclone.
    --Rob

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  • Hellrazor
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2003
    • 2091
    • Abyss, PA
    • Ridgid R4512

    #2
    There is no way I am getting into that stuff, they cost more then power tools....

    Use the force.....

    Resistance is futile....

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    • JR
      The Full Monte
      • Feb 2004
      • 5636
      • Eugene, OR
      • BT3000

      #3
      :d :d :d :d
      JR

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      • kwgeorge
        Veteran Member
        • Jan 2004
        • 1419
        • Alvin, TX, USA.

        #4
        Man you haven’t see nothing yet, that blade isn’t even cutting good yet. Need to do a bit of stropping on it then try it again. When the shavings are so thin you can see through them and the surface of the wood left behind is smooth, shiny and perfect then you have reached Nirvana!

        Ken

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        • Pappy
          The Full Monte
          • Dec 2002
          • 10463
          • San Marcos, TX, USA.
          • BT3000 (x2)

          #5
          Box it up and send it to me before it is too late! I am already beyond salvation so it won't matter.
          Don, aka Pappy,

          Wise men talk because they have something to say,
          Fools because they have to say something.
          Plato

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          • linear
            Senior Member
            • May 2004
            • 612
            • DeSoto, KS, USA.
            • Ryobi BT3100

            #6
            No, see Pappy, that's exactly what I'm talking about right there. You should have told me before I bought that thing.

            I'm just trying to help these other poor slobs out, and keep them out of the same jam I got in. So here's the deal: if any of you think one of these "hand planes" would be a good addition to your shop, just save yourself the trouble. Don't go there.

            I'm serious about helping others, so here's the deal: Instead of buying one of these, just fold up a hundred dollar bill and send it straight to me. It's for your own good--I'm saving you money here. And besides I got my eye on a low angle jack plane they make.
            --Rob

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            • bigsteel15
              Veteran Member
              • Feb 2006
              • 1079
              • Edmonton, AB
              • Ryobi BT3100

              #7
              Thanks for the warning guys.
              Working PT at Lee Valley I am surrounded by them for hours. Then some poor (rich?) slob comes in and buys a $250 plane just to warn me not to do it.
              The problem is there is one of these
              http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...=1,41182,48945
              sitting upstairs on our employee only sale table at $65.
              Nobody else seems interested.
              Oh yeah. There is also one of these
              http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...18&cat=1,42884
              for $20 with the guide.


              SOMEBODY HELP!!!

              Tell me I'll probably never use the shoulder plane and that because I have a nice DT jig that the satisfaction gained in doing hand dovetails will always escape me, even with the nice saw and guide.
              Brian

              Welcome to the school of life
              Where corporal punishment is alive and well.

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              • wardprobst
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2006
                • 681
                • Wichita Falls, TX, USA.
                • Craftsman 22811

                #8
                Originally posted by bigsteel15
                Thanks for the warning guys.
                Working PT at Lee Valley I am surrounded by them for hours. Then some poor (rich?) slob comes in and buys a $250 plane just to warn me not to do it.
                The problem is there is one of these
                http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...=1,41182,48945
                sitting upstairs on our employee only sale table at $65.
                Nobody else seems interested.
                Oh yeah. There is also one of these
                http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...18&cat=1,42884
                for $20 with the guide.


                SOMEBODY HELP!!!

                Tell me I'll probably never use the shoulder plane and that because I have a nice DT jig that the satisfaction gained in doing hand dovetails will always escape me, even with the nice saw and guide.
                You really don't need these Brian but go ahead and buy them and send them to Texas to remove the daily temptation. I'll be glad to reimburse your costs, not that I have a problem....
                DP
                www.wardprobst.com

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                • SARGE..g-47

                  #9
                  Morning Rob..

                  Sounds as if your in over your head at this point and you might google for one of those groups that cater to "in over your head". "Hello.. I'm Rob and I............ :>)

                  When you get over the initial shock of what you have been missing all this time, you might take a look at what Veritas has to offer. I can't think of one negative about LN other than they are in a price range that allows me to purchase 3 Veritas for the price to 2 LN. I have 4 of the LV now and several other brands. I have test driven the LN and it is a peice of work.. but the Veritas has some design features that I prefer. Their design is somewhat innovative and the quality is excellent and they come at a very reasonable price.

                  I'll be edge matching and shooting the pieces of a table-top tomorrow with a #8 hand jointer. They have already been sized and run through the face jointer and planer. So... why re-edge them? Cause you can match edge to edge in vises as they will appear to each other in the actual glue-up. You won't get a perfectly matched edge ( "kissed") on the TS or electric jointer as you will with a hand jointer no matter how hard you try IMO..

                  So enjoy your new infliction and remember to learn how to use them properly. Every tool serves a purpose. It is up to the craftsman to know what it is and when precisely to reach for it in his bag of tricks.

                  Regards and good evening...

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                  • Lance
                    Established Member
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 102
                    • Haverhill, MA, USA.

                    #10
                    Pity Party for Brian!

                    Originally posted by bigsteel15
                    Thanks for the warning guys.
                    Working PT at Lee Valley I am surrounded by them for hours. Then some poor (rich?) slob comes in and buys a $250 plane just to warn me not to do it.
                    The problem is there is one of these
                    http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...=1,41182,48945
                    sitting upstairs on our employee only sale table at $65.
                    Nobody else seems interested.
                    Oh yeah. There is also one of these
                    http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...18&cat=1,42884
                    for $20 with the guide.


                    SOMEBODY HELP!!!

                    Tell me I'll probably never use the shoulder plane and that because I have a nice DT jig that the satisfaction gained in doing hand dovetails will always escape me, even with the nice saw and guide.
                    All together, now:

                    Brian.....

                    YOU SUCK!!

                    What did you expect, sympathy??

                    Well, maybe, if you start your own little BT3Central outlet operation, we all might feel a little more sentimental about your precarious predicament.


                    -Lance
                    Ex-Armchair Woodworker and newb galoot.

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                    • BigguyZ
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 1818
                      • Minneapolis, MN
                      • Craftsman, older type w/ cast iron top

                      #11
                      I've been thinking about adding to my hand tool collection (which right now is limited to a set of marples chisels and a single scraper).

                      To avoid going into the well that you have fallen into, I think I'll buy the $5 plane from HF. That experience should cure me.

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                      • Hoyden
                        Established Member
                        • Jan 2005
                        • 122
                        • Twin Falls, ID, USA.

                        #12
                        I just toured Norms shop to refresh my memory. I did not see a single hand plane, did see some chisels and turning chisels. I don't ever remember seeing Norm use a hand plane. Could I be wrong?

                        Untill I see Norm use a hand plane I think I'll hold on to my money.

                        however there are several power tools calling to me very loudly.
                        Last edited by Hoyden; 01-05-2007, 02:03 PM.
                        PawPaw

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                        • Jeffrey Schronce
                          Veteran Member
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 3822
                          • York, PA, USA.
                          • 22124

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Hoyden
                          I just toured Norms shop to refresh my memory. I did not see a single hand plane, did see some chisels and turning chisels. I don't ever remember seeing Norm use a hand plane. Could I be wrong?

                          Untill I see Norm use a hand plane I think I'll hold on to my money.

                          however there are several power tools calling to me very loudly.
                          You will see Norm use a hand plane on occassion to fit a M&T joint or something. But see, here is the deal . . . Norms cuts are perfect and do not need hand tuning. If you have ever closely watched one of those episodes you will note that he never makes a mistake. It's amazing how he can build a perfect error free grandfather clock in < 30 minutes. I wish had those skills. LOL!

                          In all seriousness, I have avoided the hand plane affliction for quite a while. I do have the occasional need for such a beast and even started a thread inquring about a "high quality, low learning curve" plane. There appears to be no such thing. It seems the purists wish to suck you into the whole hand tool thing, even if you wish to just tread in the water a bit!

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                          • onedash
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 1013
                            • Maryland
                            • Craftsman 22124

                            #14
                            i bought a cheap craftsman plane. It sucked and I never had an urge to get a better one.
                            THe blade is a decent scraper though
                            YOU DONT HAVE TO TRAIN TO BE MISERABLE. YOU HAVE TO TRAIN TO ENDURE MISERY.

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                            • germdoc
                              Veteran Member
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 3567
                              • Omaha, NE
                              • BT3000--the gray ghost

                              #15
                              Financial embarassment is a great incentive to get off your addiction. I can vouch for that.
                              Jeff


                              “Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they know nothing”--Voltaire

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