DC tubes, etc, lots of bucks

[dlminehart]

I ordered yesterday mid-afternoon from Outlet Tools. This morning, at 11:00, UPS delivered my order! Good website, good prices, incredibly fast shipment. A real winner!

[r.palmer]

I just did a Wynn conversion with the poly felt heavy duty canister. I like it, more air flow, but the cost does go up detail by detail, many plumbers supplies are selling a much larger selection of fittings at comparable prices to Lowe's, Lowe's often does not carry enough in stock to get it done. I used plastic conduit half inch pipe clamps with the long cable ties used for hanging air ducting, leaving it loose until I was sure about the run. It adds up, and I was crazy enough to do two runs of four inch, which may be over kill, to be able to open up two gates and spin the DC up a bit, to get more sanding dust, and while it was a headache, and took a month to get it set up, this site solved a lot of problems. I highly recommend the Wynn filter, the up scale non paper version of it, it is built like a tank, and other than the misery of putting on the clear bags, its great. I used HF hose for tool hook up its tough hose. I got some Rockler 4" clear for sanding where I have to move it around, it seems more flexible than the HF hose and I get to see what goes in it. I think the cost of the details was about double the cost of the DC. To do it on the cheap, at least get a Wynn conversion, and just use some hose. Then later maybe get the plumbing set up. The core of the system should be good with the Wynn, and the poly felt version, looks bullet proof.

[sdj]

I have most of the "standard size WW tools" (HF 14" BS, BT3100,CMS, 13" planer,6" jointer, Router Table, mini lathe w/bed ext.,ROS). I have a 12' x 16' basement shop. From what I gather from this site (reading many posts). A possible recommendation would be
HF 2HP DC on sale = $170
HF DC Accessory kit = $43
Wynn Conversion Kit 9E300BL $63 + $12 shipping = $75
PSI plastic bage $16 per 10 pack
4 @ 10' section 4" PVC = $35
Extra blast gates http://www.outlettools.com = $10
Extra fittings, flexible hose, hose clamps,couplers, etc = $50
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Total estimated cost $400

Does this sound reasonable to propose to the household finance manager?

[LarryG]

quote:Originally posted by sdj

Does this sound reasonable to propose to the household finance manager?

Depending on what that $50 in the last line-item covers, you may not need the HF accessory kit. It includes two lengths of hose plus some fittings and blast gates, so you may be doubling up. From what I saw, the current sale prices at Outlet Tools will challenge the cost of the HF kit pretty seriously.

Secondly, instead of the DIY Wynn filter and bags from PSI, consider Wynn's bolt-on kit for $82 that includes their paper blend filter, all mounting hardware, and three plastic bags:

http://www.wynnenv.com/35A_series_cartridge_kit.htm

If you want additional bags beyond the three included in the kit, note that they have a 10-pack for ten bucks.

[r.palmer]

Wynn told me in six months the paper blend filter would be harder to clean and the somewhat more expensive one would start to pull away in performance long term. He said the extra surface area the paper filter has is good, but means less down the road, both are close in specs but the paper loses some action as time goes on. Just a thought, I do not like spending extra money, but I hate spending it twice. He did say for sanding applications, the paper one might not be as good depending on the nature of the dust. Would not heavy use seem to suggest that a paper filter, after long use, with tight pleats be a saving short term but not long term?

[sdj]

The Wynn kit referred to in a previous post is $118 for poly blend vs $82 for paper. I agree the extra $36 seems to be worth it.
http://www.wynnenv.com/35A_series_cartridge_kit.htm

[LarryG]

quote:Originally posted by r.palmer

Would not heavy use seem to suggest that a paper filter, after long use, with tight pleats be a saving short term but not long term?

IMO, yes, but that's theoretical because I've not yet done the Wynn conversion. When I do, I'll get the same spun-bond poly filter you chose because, again IMO, the additional $36 cost will be well worth it.

In sdj's case, I suggested the kit with the 80/20 blend filter mainly because the 9E300BL he listed for $63 is made of that material. You know, trying to do the old apples-apples thing. But yeah, I'm persuaded the spun-bond polyester is the better filter and I probably should have mentioned it as another option.

[sdj]

Thanks for the info on the paper filter.
So my new total is:
HF 2HP DC on sale = $170
HF DC Accessory kit = $43 (compared Outlet Tools and HF and its about the same when adding up all components)
Wynn Poly filter 35A100SBOL (includes conversion hardware and bags) = $118 + shipping
4 @ 10' section 4" PVC = $35
Extra blast gates, Y's, etc = $20 from outlettools.com
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$386

[r.palmer]

Yes, it sure adds up. The spun poly filter so far works well, it does clean itself pretty well, but I have a small air compressor and blast it when the air tacker is set up, most times I just whack it with a foam pool float on a stick. The bags go on ok, but you have to stretch them carefully by hand, I may go to 3 mil drum liners. I find some clear ones....its a done deal. I expect the initial air flow is not quite as good but as its used, since it can be cleaned, it hits a long term sweet spot. I do think not having to protect the inside with a screen is a big plus. The sticky dust I generate sanding a layer of amine contamiated epoxy coating, will get blasted after each days work with care. So far, so good. My lungs feel happy now. No more BAM as the cajun cook says, when he pops it up a notch with some kinds of dust.

[JR]

quote:Originally posted by r.palmer

I expect the initial air flow is not quite as good but as its used, since it can be cleaned, it hits a long term sweet spot.

I had thought the pleated filters ended up with more flow with finer fitering. The more flow part is due to the much larger area. Did I make this up?

JR

[LinuxRandal]

quote:Originally posted by sdj

Thanks for the info on the paper filter.
So my new total is:
HF 2HP DC on sale = $170
HF DC Accessory kit = $43 (compared Outlet Tools and HF and its about the same when adding up all components)
Wynn Poly filter 35A100SBOL (includes conversion hardware and bags) = $118 + shipping
4 @ 10' section 4" PVC = $35
Extra blast gates, Y's, etc = $20 from outlettools.com
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$386

No, No, No!
See a previous post about the HF dc or look at the image in my profile. In the October ad, Wood magazine, the HF dc is on sale for $159.99 til 4-1-06 and then you use the 20% off coupon. If you take a friend, and cash, you could use a second coupon for the accessory kit, if it weren't for needing a little bit of flex pipe for some tools, I recommend not even bothering with that kit. As I have a spare chunk of dryer hose, I may try someones suggestion for using it for the flex.

Still asking if anyone has used carpet tubes.

[r.palmer]

Both the paper Wynn filter and the spun poly filter are pleated, the paper one has more surface area, its treated, tough, and has 300 sq ft of narrow pleats in its filter area, and at the outset it filters a small amount better, the extra area is fine, for about six months, then the dust takes a toll, the sharp chips might puncture it unless you put in a screen on the inside of the can. After six months, the air flow is reduced and the spun poly one with its wider pleats, and only 100 sq ft of area, (but NOT three times less air flow, a fraction less, and a fraction less filtering), has maintained its ability to filter better due to those wider pleats self cleaning better. It made me a bit crazy, the 300 sq ft, to 100 sq ft difference till I asked Wynn about it, (and Bill Pentz seemed to think the spun poly was better). I think one has to think, long term here, keeping enough air flow to pull the dust into the DC, and Wynn said, "The specs on both are very close at the outset with the paper a little better, but in six months the spun poly will pull ahead." Of course, it depends on how much you use it, or how much fine sanding you might do. I have had people who used bags, good bags, talk about how hard it is to clean them. How much reduced flow they got from a bag that was dirty. The paper filter from Wynn is better at its worst than a bag, but I want one I can take outside and wash once a year, dry out, and start over. If I had the DC located outside in a shed, I would not care, but with previous reactions to epoxy, some kinds of dusts are a terrible danger to my lungs so I am careful. I am convinced some of it came from early years using acetone when little was known about the health issues. Oh well.

Well, as Betty Davis once said, "Old age is not for sissies", when I put the power on in my shop, I remember that tough old lady, giving some talk show host the finger, and the sound of the DC eating a bit of wood, makes me smile. It gives the finger to some bad health issues.