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  • ironhat
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    #1

    How did they do this?

    Looking at the Etsy.com site I came to the first page in the WW folder here and wondered if anyone had a clue on how the goblets are done? Are they cut flat and dry to this shape due to the thickness? I don't plan to try this - just curious. BTW, look at the other pieces that this artisan has posted. Basically the same theme on many but they do much with dyes on thick as well as thin wood, but orange?? Then again, my TS is orange.
    Blessings,
    Chiz
  • atgcpaul
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    #2
    Sorry. No answer to your question but he does good work. I may actually buy something

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    • pelligrini
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      #3
      Originally posted by ironhat
      and wondered if anyone had a clue on how the goblets are done?
      Very carefully?

      I love those designs, very intresting.
      Erik

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      • Brian G
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        • Jun 2003
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        #4
        I'm not a turner, but I'm not afraid to guess.

        I speculate that they are turned green, and when they dry they deform into the crooked and oblong shapes.
        Brian

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        • gerti
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          #5
          Originally posted by Brian G
          I speculate that they are turned green, and when they dry they deform into the crooked and oblong shapes.
          Correct. Green turned, sometimes even wetting the wood with some spray. Even (and thin!) wall thickness is key to avoid splitting while drying. They require a delicate touch (and sometimes multiple tries...) but are pretty fun.

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          • woodturner
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            • Jun 2008
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            #6
            Originally posted by ironhat
            Looking at the Etsy.com site I came to the first page in the WW folder here and wondered if anyone had a clue on how the goblets are done?
            They are turned on a lathe. Stuart Batty pioneered this technique and can turn a 2' or more high goblet. Here is a link to a demo
            http://www.swflwoodturners.org/StuartBattyDemo.html
            and here is a newsletter that talks about a different demo
            http://carolinamountainwoodturners.o.../cmw200611.pdf


            Here is an example of Batty's goblets
            http://www.woodturner.org/gallery/ka...uart_batty.htm


            The process starts with a blank of dry wood. The wood needs to be dry to help limit flexing. The entire blank is turned round, then the goblet bowl is turned and finished.

            The stem of the goblet is turned in stages. An inch long section is turned and finished, then the next inch long section is turned, and so forth. For longer goblets, the tail stock can be used as support for the bowl by filling the bowl with paper towels or other soft material.

            While turning the stem, the fingers are wrapped around the back of the blank, to support the wood as it is cut.
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            • cabinetman
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              • Jun 2006
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              #7
              Originally posted by ironhat
              Looking at the Etsy.com site I came to the first page in the WW folder here and wondered if anyone had a clue on how the goblets are done? Are they cut flat and dry to this shape due to the thickness? I don't plan to try this - just curious. BTW, look at the other pieces that this artisan has posted. Basically the same theme on many but they do much with dyes on thick as well as thin wood, but orange?? Then again, my TS is orange.

              They are very unique and decorative, but hard to drink from. There are many links about this process and complete information available by doing a simple Google search.
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              • gerti
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                #8
                Originally posted by woodturner
                The process starts with a blank of dry wood. The wood needs to be dry to help limit flexing.
                For regular goblets yes, but the distorted ones the OP was referring to are made from green wood. "Woodturning Workshop" (runs on PBS) had a "Green wood goblet" episode a while back that showed the process.

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                • woodturner
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by gerti
                  For regular goblets yes, but the distorted ones the OP was referring to are made from green wood.
                  I guess it could really be done either way for shorter goblets, I've just never seen it done or tried it with green wood. In my experience with longer stem goblets ala' Batty, I haven't had much luck turning them green - they "whip" too much because the green wood is too soft.

                  I turn shorter goblets dry as well, though it should work to turn them green. If you want the "distorted" look, in dry wood that can be achieved through tool application (rubbing the bevel more will generate heat which will warp the wood) or by misting the finished goblet with water to soften the wood.

                  Michelson used the spray and soften technique on his hats, if anyone is interested in learning more about the technique.
                  Last edited by woodturner; 08-21-2010, 03:06 PM.
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                  • cabinetman
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                    • Jun 2006
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                    • So. Florida
                    • Delta

                    #10
                    Originally posted by woodturner

                    I turn shorter goblets dry as well, though it should work to turn them green. If you want the "distorted" look, in dry wood that can be achieved through tool application (rubbing the bevel more will generate heat which will warp the wood) or by misting the finished goblet with water to soften the wood.
                    Sounds very interesting. Could you post pictures of your goblets?
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