Loosening overnight glue joint???

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  • newood2
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2004
    • 600
    • Brooklyn, NY.
    • BT3100-1

    #1

    Loosening overnight glue joint???

    Last night I glued up a rail and stile door frame with Elmer's yellow wood glue.
    How can I loosen it up to take it apart? Right now I'm soaking it in warm water, but not sure that will help.
    Oh, it's maple.
  • MikeMcCoy
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2004
    • 790
    • Moncks Corner, SC, USA.
    • Delta Contractor Saw

    #2
    You stand a fair shot with a heat gun.

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    • crokett
      The Full Monte
      • Jan 2003
      • 10627
      • Mebane, NC, USA.
      • Ryobi BT3000

      #3
      A trick that worked once for me was hot water and vinegar. I can't remember who told me to try it. I injected the mixture into the joint with a hypodermic needle and knocked it apart with a mallet. I am not sure if the vinegar did anything, it might have just been the water. I think the best you can do is weaken the joint enough to separate the parts. You really can't dissolve yellow glue completely.
      David

      The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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      • Ed62
        The Full Monte
        • Oct 2006
        • 6021
        • NW Indiana
        • BT3K

        #4
        I could be wrong with this, but I think vinegar causes a reaction to animal by-products in some glues. Vinegar is what I was going to recommend trying.

        Ed
        Do you know about kickback? Ray has a good writeup here... https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained

        For a kickback demonstration video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/910584...demonstration/

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        • newood2
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2004
          • 600
          • Brooklyn, NY.
          • BT3100-1

          #5
          Tried the vinegar, no good so I scrap it. There goes $45.
          Thanks guys.
          Howie

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          • Knottscott
            Veteran Member
            • Dec 2004
            • 3815
            • Rochester, NY.
            • 2008 Shop Fox W1677

            #6
            Originally posted by newood2
            Tried the vinegar, no good so I scrap it. There goes $45.
            Thanks guys.
            Howie
            Sorry the hear it, but that's probably the easiest thing in the long run.

            It's just wood....and it DOES grow on trees! (too bad the money it costs doesn't! )
            Happiness is sort of like wetting your pants....everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth.

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            • cabinetman
              Gone but not Forgotten RIP
              • Jun 2006
              • 15216
              • So. Florida
              • Delta

              #7
              Think of it as a testament to your good joinery.
              .

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              • cgallery
                Veteran Member
                • Sep 2004
                • 4503
                • Milwaukee, WI
                • BT3K

                #8
                If it is a decent size it may be able to be cut down and the members reused to make something else (a picture frame, for instance, or a smaller door for a cabinet you make next).

                Don't just throw it away.

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                • jrnewhall
                  Forum Newbie
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 57
                  • Rochester, NY.
                  • Ryobi 3100

                  #9
                  Try a thin kerf saw like a dovetail saw and cut through at the joint. Mortise out both sides and use a loose tenon. May not help in you case, not knowing what is wrong with the joint, but it worked for me on an M&T table apron that didn't fit right.
                  ~JRN

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                  • newood2
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 600
                    • Brooklyn, NY.
                    • BT3100-1

                    #10
                    Originally posted by cgallery
                    If it is a decent size it may be able to be cut down and the members reused to make something else (a picture frame, for instance, or a smaller door for a cabinet you make next).

                    Don't just throw it away.
                    That's exactly what I did. I'll re-use the stiles for the shorter bottom doors. Just 2 doors affected.
                    BTW, what happen as seen in pic, was the gap left in the joint after glue-up. Even though the pre-glue square-up pencil lines were in sync the clamping somehow nudge it out of square.


                    My solution was to use a diagonal clamp to keep it square as shown here.
                    Last edited by newood2; 12-09-2008, 02:42 PM.

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