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  • DaveS
    Senior Member
    • May 2003
    • 596
    • Minneapolis,MN

    #1

    Species identification assistance (please?)

    OOOOOHhhhh mighty wood oracles... please bestow your knowledge upon me...

    My spiral stairs are currently covered with carpet, and I'd like to rip it out and stain and finish the existing treads.

    The current treads are solid, and silent - If I decided to replace them, I don't think I have the skills to match the curve, or the money to buy the lumber that I'd need (each tread is 16" wide at the outside of the curve). Also, they are in there so well, I can't imagine they would come out without a lot of collateral damage. To add another complication, the back of the stairs is open, so whatever I would put in there would have to be pretty on all 4 sides.

    I can't for certain tell what kind of wood this is... can I get a little help? (I won't tell you what I think it is so I don't bias your first instinct).

    Do you think I could successfully stain it to match the red oak?

    This picture is the under side of one of the steps.
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  • TheRic
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2004
    • 1912
    • West Central Ohio
    • bt3100

    #2
    I'm no expert by far, I would guess Maple since a lot of steps, specially older ones around here, are Maple.

    If you don't like the color, your could stain it a little to the desired color.
    Ric

    Plan for the worst, hope for the best!

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    • Russianwolf
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2004
      • 3152
      • Martinsburg, WV, USA.
      • One of them there Toy saws

      #3
      looks like Poplar to me.
      Mike
      Lakota's Dad

      If at first you don't succeed, deny you were trying in the first place.

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      • poolhound
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2006
        • 3196
        • Phoenix, AZ
        • BT3100

        #4
        Hmm not sure about Maple the grain looks a bit too straight. Can you tell if its a HW or SW. WHat happens if you run a fingernail across an inconspicuos spot, if it marks easily it is probaably a constructional softwood, could be fir or spruce.

        Either way you can certainly stain the same color as the red oak it just cant match the grain pattern.
        Jon

        Phoenix AZ - It's a dry heat
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        • Tom Slick
          Veteran Member
          • May 2005
          • 2913
          • Paso Robles, Calif, USA.
          • sears BT3 clone

          #5
          the darker grey/green strip towards the rear makes me think that it's poplar.
          Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison

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          • Stytooner
            Roll Tide RIP Lee
            • Dec 2002
            • 4301
            • Robertsdale, AL, USA.
            • BT3100

            #6
            Poplar is my guess too. It ain't lexan or aluminum.
            Lee

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            • Pappy
              The Full Monte
              • Dec 2002
              • 10490
              • San Marcos, TX, USA.
              • BT3000 (x2)

              #7
              Originally posted by Stytooner
              Poplar is my guess too. It ain't lexan or aluminum.
              The grain and colors make me think the same.
              Don, aka Pappy,

              Wise men talk because they have something to say,
              Fools because they have to say something.
              Plato

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              • DaveS
                Senior Member
                • May 2003
                • 596
                • Minneapolis,MN

                #8
                Poplar was my first guess - but then a friend of mine said he thought it was beech.

                I was hoping it was beech, as I have experienced the pain and disappointment of trying to stain poplar.

                How can I tell for sure if it is poplar?

                It is pretty hard - I can't scratch it with a finger nail.

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                • Daryl
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2004
                  • 831
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                  #9
                  Anybody else think it is poplar? You are right, it is a difficult wood to stain but it takes a nice layer of paint.
                  Sometimes the old man passed out and left the am radio on so I got to hear the oldie songs and current event kind of things

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                  • Tom Slick
                    Veteran Member
                    • May 2005
                    • 2913
                    • Paso Robles, Calif, USA.
                    • sears BT3 clone

                    #10
                    The beech I've seen doesn't look anything like that tread.
                    Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison

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                    • 4estgump
                      Established Member
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 123
                      • Lawrenceburg, Kentucky
                      • Ryobi BT3000

                      #11
                      It sure looks like Yellow Poplar to me, and i work with alot of it.
                      Just my 2 pennies.

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                      • poolhound
                        Veteran Member
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 3196
                        • Phoenix, AZ
                        • BT3100

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DaveS
                        Poplar was my first guess - but then a friend of mine said he thought it was beech.

                        I was hoping it was beech, as I have experienced the pain and disappointment of trying to stain poplar.

                        How can I tell for sure if it is poplar?

                        It is pretty hard - I can't scratch it with a finger nail.

                        I guess you could cut up a few treads and send us all a piece so we can get a better look Seriously poplar is pretty easy to match up if you have another piece to compare it with. If you dont have a scrap lying around you could get a cutoff at HD and compare. They sell by the foot and its less than a $1/ft. I wouldnt buy in bulk there but if you just want a test piece its easily available.

                        Poplar can be a PITA to stain. I find that careful prep is the key. This thread shows a table I made from solid poplar.

                        http://www.bt3central.com/showthread.php?t=36744&page=2

                        First sand rearly carefully and get rid of any blemishes/glue/dents/scratches as these will show up when you stain it. take it to a good 220 or even 320 grit. I have found the oil stains work a bit better. do use an appropriate pre-stain sealer that matches the stain. Go for multiple thinner coats of stain rubbing in well and matching up earlier coats. let it dry throughly and rub down with wire wool (not on water based) or scotch brite pad.

                        To get an even color and coverage is a pain but it can be done.
                        Jon

                        Phoenix AZ - It's a dry heat
                        ________________________________

                        We all make mistakes and I should know I've made enough of them
                        techzibits.com

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                        • scmhogg
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 1839
                          • Simi Valley, CA, USA.
                          • BT3000

                          #13
                          Dave,

                          If you can find a place to cut a small sample, the Forest Service offers, a little known, FREE service. You can submit up to 5 samples for identification each year.

                          www2.fpl.fs.fed.us/WoodID/idfact.html

                          Steve
                          I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong. Bertrand Russell

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                          • cabinetman
                            Gone but not Forgotten RIP
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 15216
                            • So. Florida
                            • Delta

                            #14
                            It does look like Poplar. Wet a spot and see what it looks like. Better yet, wet it and take a pic, and post it.
                            .

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                            • DaveS
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2003
                              • 596
                              • Minneapolis,MN

                              #15
                              ok... here it is wet.
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