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  • crokett
    The Full Monte
    • Jan 2003
    • 10627
    • Mebane, NC, USA.
    • Ryobi BT3000

    #1

    Cutting Veneer

    Ok, apparently I don't remember as much about it as I thought. Google returned a lot of links on cutting it from a log or making some on a bandsaw. I am trying to cut some veneer for a bookmatch for my marquetry project. I am using a circle cutter. I am not getting a super matching cut on each piece. Would it help to soak the veneer for a while? I think I need to to flatten it anyway. If I can't get a clean cut now through 2 layers of veneer, not sure I can when I do the marquetry.
    David

    The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.
  • Wood_workur
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2005
    • 1914
    • Ohio
    • Ryobi bt3100-1

    #2
    I use a really straight piece of wood and a router with a flush trip bit to make edges that join together.
    Alex

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    • cabinetman
      Gone but not Forgotten RIP
      • Jun 2006
      • 15216
      • So. Florida
      • Delta

      #3
      Originally posted by crokett
      Ok, apparently I don't remember as much about it as I thought. Google returned a lot of links on cutting it from a log or making some on a bandsaw. I am trying to cut some veneer for a bookmatch for my marquetry project. I am using a circle cutter. I am not getting a super matching cut on each piece. Would it help to soak the veneer for a while? I think I need to to flatten it anyway. If I can't get a clean cut now through 2 layers of veneer, not sure I can when I do the marquetry.

      Is this the same veneer you referred to in your marquetry thread that you didn't respond to? It would help to know what kind of veneer it is, and how thick it is.
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      • crokett
        The Full Monte
        • Jan 2003
        • 10627
        • Mebane, NC, USA.
        • Ryobi BT3000

        #4
        Yes it is. The veneer I will use for the project is maple for the background and walnut for the 'shadow'. It is 1/16" thick. I am trying to cut two layers of maple to bookmatch but can see daylight in spots along the cut line. I could just use a shooting board and plane to match up the cuts but need to learn how to cut it correctly so I can do the marquetry pieces.

        As for the router, I am trying not to use power tools on this project.
        David

        The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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        • cabinetman
          Gone but not Forgotten RIP
          • Jun 2006
          • 15216
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          #5
          If the veneer is particularly curly , wavy or bumpy, you may want to use a veneer softener. It will flatten the veneer so it can be cut properly. As for cutting, the method I stated in your marquetry thread is what I use.

          Using a knife isn't easy and takes a lot of patience. The picture below has patterned cuts with a knife. These cabinets took a long time due to all the inlays involved. The wave lines and circles are inlaid flush to the surface. There were 7 different wave lengths for a total of 53 to inlay. The pattern for those I made from plexiglas.The circles were cut using a nickel for a pattern, and there were 27 of those.
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          • drumpriest
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            • Feb 2004
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            • Pittsburgh, Pa, USA.
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            #6
            Hey David, I just finished a marquetry project.

            http://www.bt3central.com/showthread.php?t=36591

            Are you trying to do a 4 way bookmatch? Or a 2 way. If you read that thread you'll see my comments on my experience doing the bookmatch. I tried a lot of methods, and most failed due to the nature of the curly maple. I really did find that the best way was to use a hand plane to do it.

            So much so that I did a tutorial...

            http://www.bt3central.com/showthread...ghlight=veneer

            Hope this helps, and GOOD LUCK!!! Consider sand shading as well, gives a lot of depth.
            Keith Z. Leonard
            Go Steelers!

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            • Tom Slick
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              • May 2005
              • 2913
              • Paso Robles, Calif, USA.
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              #7
              If it helps at all we used to book match using an edge sander with a flat, straight platen. put the two edges together and hold them up to a strong light to see if there is any gap and sand some more if there is.
              Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison

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              • crokett
                The Full Monte
                • Jan 2003
                • 10627
                • Mebane, NC, USA.
                • Ryobi BT3000

                #8
                Mike,

                Sorry I missed your reply in the last thread - forgot I posted it. I think my main problem is trying to cut through both layers all in one go. I will clamp it under my matting guide and see what that does.

                Keith, 2-way bookmatch. I was thinking about a shooting board to do flush the edges but as I said, I have to be able to cut with a knife since when I do the inlays I can't plane them flush.
                David

                The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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                • cabinetman
                  Gone but not Forgotten RIP
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 15216
                  • So. Florida
                  • Delta

                  #9
                  Originally posted by crokett
                  Mike,

                  Sorry I missed your reply in the last thread - forgot I posted it. I think my main problem is trying to cut through both layers all in one go. I will clamp it under my matting guide and see what that does.

                  Trying to do it in one pass is not a good idea. Doing several passes and light pressure will allow you to concentrate on making the passes and positioning the knife the same for each pass. Think about this. If you vary the angle of the knife, you won't have a consistent cut. If you are cutting through two layers of 1/16", that's 1/8" total. If for instance your knife is tipped outboard of the cut, the top piece will be slightly larger than the bottom piece. Capiche?
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                  • crokett
                    The Full Monte
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 10627
                    • Mebane, NC, USA.
                    • Ryobi BT3000

                    #10
                    Originally posted by cabinetman
                    the top piece will be slightly larger than the bottom piece. Capiche?
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                    Yep. That is why I was thinking about a guide made of 2 pieces of angle aluminum to hold the knife vertical, but it would only be good for straightline cuts.
                    David

                    The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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                    • cabinetman
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                      • Jun 2006
                      • 15216
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by crokett
                      Yep. That is why I was thinking about a guide made of 2 pieces of angle aluminum to hold the knife vertical, but it would only be good for straightline cuts.

                      Straight line cuts are fairly easy. It's the curves that brings out the craftsmanship in you. It calls for some finesse.
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                      • drumpriest
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                        • Feb 2004
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                        #12
                        The problem with doing the edges with a knife on 1/16" stock is that you'll see the grind angle of the knife. Perhaps a veneer saw? It qualifies for the "no power tool" requirements, and can go through what ever thickness given enough time, also has no rake and cuts orthogonal edges that are good for glue ups.

                        You don't really cut through "all at once", but instead you nibble through it with multiple pull passes.

                        One other thought is that if you cut them together and there is any imperfection in the straight edge, that imperfection is doubled.

                        Lastly, little pinholes of light, while not perfect, is not tragic, by the time it's on a substrate they disappear. It's a judgment call as to what is really a problem and what isn't.

                        Whatever you do, try not to take off TOO much material, or you'll ruin the bookmatch effect.

                        http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?p...w&cookietest=1
                        Keith Z. Leonard
                        Go Steelers!

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                        • crokett
                          The Full Monte
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 10627
                          • Mebane, NC, USA.
                          • Ryobi BT3000

                          #13
                          Thanks for all the replies fellas. I got some veneer softener today and will start by flattening it. After that I will try cutting with my mat cutter, at least for the bookmatches. If all else fails I will go with the plane or try a veneer saw.

                          Keith, I was given 2 boxes of complete (about 1.5" thick) fletches of maple, walnut and oak veneers. I am not sure how the veneer was cared for before me but the maple fletch I am working with is checked a little less than half way across each piece. I have been playing with cross cutting the check out and bookmatching 2 pieces. I may see what happens if I cut just to the side of each check and bookmatch that way, that way I can use once piece for each glueup.
                          Last edited by crokett; 03-18-2008, 09:32 PM.
                          David

                          The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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                          • crokett
                            The Full Monte
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 10627
                            • Mebane, NC, USA.
                            • Ryobi BT3000

                            #14
                            An update: the shadow profiles are cut out of the walnut. It is a much thinner veneer and easier to cut. I guess I did ok, my MIL could tell who they were. I am going to look through the veneers I have and see if I have anything thinner than the maple for the background contrast. I ruined 3 sheets last night trying to follow the profile around with a knife.
                            David

                            The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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                            • cabinetman
                              Gone but not Forgotten RIP
                              • Jun 2006
                              • 15216
                              • So. Florida
                              • Delta

                              #15
                              Originally posted by crokett
                              I ruined 3 sheets last night trying to follow the profile around with a knife.

                              Yup...it's called the learning process. Nobody said education was cheap. DAMHIKT.
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