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  • bigfoot15
    Established Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 127
    • edmonton, alberta, Canada.
    • BT3100

    1st biscuit joiner lesson...OOPS

    Building my first cabinet box and using biscuits.
    I thought I did everything right with regards to mating the end to the face edge when I cut the slots.
    Guess not. When I put it all together, the ends protrude about 1/8" above the top and below the bottom.
    Oh well, that's what trrim router bits are for and that's why I didn't put the fronts on my drawers yet.
    Lesson learned....mark the matching faces and make sure to reference the same joiner surface when cuttting. That was my mistake.
    I was very particular to measure from the 'front' of all pieces. But when I cut the edge slots with the fence tight to the surface then I lifted the fence and referenced the 'bottom' of the joiner when I cut the faces.

    Goes nicely with my extra drawer bottoms.
    patience is a virtue I can\'t wait to have
  • Ken Weaver
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2004
    • 2417
    • Clemson, SC, USA
    • Rigid TS3650

    #2
    Been there - done that - bought that T-shirt.
    Ken Weaver
    Clemson, SC

    "A mistake is absolute proof that someone tried to do something!

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    • mater
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2004
      • 4197
      • SC, USA.

      #3
      I made the same mistake on my first try. A lesson well learned.
      Ken aka "mater"

      " People may doubt what you say but they will never doubt what you do "

      Ken's Den

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      • ironhat
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        • Aug 2004
        • 2553
        • Chambersburg, PA (South-central).
        • Ridgid 3650 (can I still play here?)

        #4
        Originally posted by Ken Weaver
        Been there - done that - bought that T-shirt.
        ...and burned the shirt!
        Blessings,
        Chiz

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        • messmaker
          Veteran Member
          • May 2004
          • 1495
          • RICHMOND, KY, USA.
          • Ridgid 2424

          #5
          First time I used a b.jointer I was putting in a center shelf and using biscuits to line up the vertical divider. I cut the holes in each end using different sides of the divider as a reference. Guess what? Divider was 1/8 out of plumb. I tried to hide it with a face frame and it bothers me to this day.
          spellling champion Lexington region 1982

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          • JimD
            Veteran Member
            • Feb 2003
            • 4187
            • Lexington, SC.

            #6
            I like to put both pieces in their location relative to each other and then put pencil marks across both to show where I will put biscuit slots. If you line the jointer up with the marks you reference the right face and in the right location.

            Jim

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            • Joe Lyddon
              Established Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 203
              • Alta Loma, CA, USA.

              #7
              Originally posted by bigfoot15
              Building my first cabinet box and using biscuits.
              I thought I did everything right with regards to mating the end to the face edge when I cut the slots.
              Guess not. When I put it all together, the ends protrude about 1/8" above the top and below the bottom.
              Oh well, that's what trrim router bits are for and that's why I didn't put the fronts on my drawers yet.
              Lesson learned....mark the matching faces and make sure to reference the same joiner surface when cuttting. That was my mistake.
              I was very particular to measure from the 'front' of all pieces. But when I cut the edge slots with the fence tight to the surface then I lifted the fence and referenced the 'bottom' of the joiner when I cut the faces.

              Goes nicely with my extra drawer bottoms.
              FYI...
              Biscuits have been shown quite a bit on
              http://www.thewoodworkingchannel.com/
              ... it's a moisture problem and what you do during expansion to make it worse.

              Maloof doesn't like / use them... he uses dowels instead.
              Have Fun!
              Joe Lyddon

              Back to:
              http://Woodworkstuff.net/

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              • bigsteel15
                Veteran Member
                • Feb 2006
                • 1079
                • Edmonton, AB
                • Ryobi BT3100

                #8
                Originally posted by Joe Lyddon
                FYI...
                Biscuits have been shown quite a bit on
                http://www.thewoodworkingchannel.com/
                ... it's a moisture problem and what you do during expansion to make it worse.

                Maloof doesn't like / use them... he uses dowels instead.
                It's just as easy to make the same mistake with dowels. I have the Dowelmax and discovered the same issue regarding marking your reference face.
                the only thing is the Dowelmax takes most of the problems out by using a better jig system than other units. Then the errors are my own by startiing from the wrong end of the second board.
                Brian

                Welcome to the school of life
                Where corporal punishment is alive and well.

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                • onedash
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                  • Mar 2005
                  • 1013
                  • Maryland
                  • Craftsman 22124

                  #9
                  I have gone through a couple hundred biscuits now and luckily have not made a mistake. Whenever I mark my pieces I make sure thats the side thats up. I did put a few biscuits for perpendicular pieces that were not on the edge and I got a little worried I would screw those up. I just drew a line where the top of the board would be and used that as my reference line and it turned out good.
                  YOU DONT HAVE TO TRAIN TO BE MISERABLE. YOU HAVE TO TRAIN TO ENDURE MISERY.

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                  • Tom Hintz
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 549
                    • Concord, NC, USA.

                    #10
                    See the link below for another common mistake with biscuit joiners. I went through this, finally figured it out and since posting this story, have gotten lots of emails from others who did the same thing.
                    My biscuit joiner and I get along much better these days!

                    http://www.newwoodworker.com/misalgnedbiscts.html
                    Tom Hintz
                    NewWoodworker.com LLC

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