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  • AZ Tom
    Forum Newbie
    • Sep 2005
    • 28
    • Murrieta, CA, USA.
    • Ryobi BT3000

    #1

    Finishing questions

    First of all, I’ve been lurking here for a while, and I must say, this forum’s participants are the most helpful, friendly, and knowledgeable group of individuals I have ever encountered anywhere.

    I’m a real newbie to woodworking. I got started recently by purchasing a used BT3000 on ebay. (in addition to being a newbie, I’m cheap too!). My ebay purchases continued to include a Hitachi M12V, Delta drill press, Senco brad, and finish nailers, Craftsman air compressor, Freud biscuit joiner, Delta Dust collector, and Ryobi AP1300 planer. The used BT3000 came with one Miter table. I purchased a used accessory kit (with second miter table), and a right side mounting kit, second set of rails, and some T-nuts from Jeff.

    The first time I purchased anything new (other than used on ebay) was a bright blue Sharkgard (thanks Lee). My second new purchase, was the $50.00 deal on the Tradesman 6” joiner from Lowes, thanks to the postings of this very forum.

    I’m about to embark on a new project that includes a set of built-in bookcases. (think of the “Library System” on New Yankee Workshop, and have some questions regarding finishing. I would like to achieve a light cherry finish, but I’m concerned about the price of cherry. I am asking for suggestions. I am thinking of building these with white oak veneer plywood, with solid oak face frames. What specific dyes, stains, overcoats, techniques, etc, would be recommended to get the “light cherry” look? Is that even a good idea? Is it difficult to stain the oak veneer to match the oak solid wood? Or, should I “bite the bullet” and pay for cherry. Or, do I even need oak, could poplar and birch plywood be made to look like light cherry?

    Any, and all, of your thoughts, ideas and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

    Tom
  • jnesmith
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2003
    • 892
    • Tallahassee, FL, USA.

    #2
    I don't think I would recommend trying to make Oak look like Cherry. With it's distinctive grain pattern, the Oak will just look like dyed Oak.

    Caveat1: I don't like the look of Oak so I might be biased.
    Caveat2: I am not a fan of dying, staining or artificially coloring wood in general, so I might be biased.

    If you go the coloring route, I would think there are better options than Oak. I'm just not sure what they are.

    Good luck. Hopefully someone else will be more helpful.

    P.S.

    Welcome to the forum!

    John

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    • jziegler
      Veteran Member
      • Aug 2005
      • 1149
      • Salem, NJ, USA.
      • Ryobi BT3100

      #3
      I have been building kitchen cabinets that are red oak with a cherry colored stain. While the grain pattern is not right for cherry, my wife cares about color and not about grain pattern. I like the look of oak, so it's all OK. I'm using Sherwin Williams Wood Classics bright cherry stain. They also have a classic cherry that is darker.

      As for other options, I think maple has a grain that's a better match for cherry, although I have read that it is hard to stain.

      -Jim

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      • JimD
        Veteran Member
        • Feb 2003
        • 4187
        • Lexington, SC.

        #4
        Maple is similar in grain to cherry. Birch takes stain well and is more similar in grain to cherry than oak is. Birch plywood is relatively cheap and takes stain well. Solid birch to edge the plywood is somewhat difficult to find but maple could be used - perhaps poplar.

        I, however, like the looks of oak and would use that. If you are careful, you should be able to find boards that are red in color which look, I think, like cherry in color before it starts to darken. If all you can find is oak that is a bit grey in color, then I would stain it. Oak plywwod in the store does not look as red as it will with finish - to get an idea of the difference, apply a little water. I made a set of bedroom furniture using plans from "plansnow.com" that call for cherry. I used red oak. We really like the end result.

        Cherry is attractive but it darkens with exposure to sunlight. It starts out light like red oak but rapidly darkens to look in color like mahogany. I don't know of any way to keep it light in color - you could try outdoor varnish that blocks UV but I suspect it would still find a way to darken. Many people (including Norm) stain cherry to get it to the final stage up-front. I would not unless the wood was quite different in color. If the boards match well, why not let nature take it's course?

        Oak has interesting grain. Cherry grain is not real interesting to me unless you find a piece with curly grain which is not very unusual (similar to maple). The other thing interesting in cherry is gum pockets (dark beads or streaks) but they can complicate finishing.

        I normally use minwax water based poly as a finish. To emphasize curly grain, a coat of boiled linseed oil can be used first but you have to let it throughly dry - about a week - before applying the top coats. Minwax oil based stains are easy to use and can be used under the water based poly as long as it is throughly dry (about a week again).

        Jim

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        • Wood_workur
          Veteran Member
          • Aug 2005
          • 1914
          • Ohio
          • Ryobi bt3100-1

          #5
          Umm...

          Alder is the poor man's cherry. costs less than oak, but more that poplar.
          Alex

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          • AZ Tom
            Forum Newbie
            • Sep 2005
            • 28
            • Murrieta, CA, USA.
            • Ryobi BT3000

            #6
            John, James, Jim, and Alex...

            Thank you for the very helpful advise. Reading through, I'm thinking that I should make up a couple of samples, and get the wife's approval first. Getting the wife's approval is the most helpful advise of all.

            Alex.. I never even heard of Alder (I'm a real newbie), but you are correct. I looked at a photo on the Woodworker's Source web site, and it looks very similar to Cherry. I will make up a sample of Alder as well.. Does Alder also darken with age like Cherry, or is the color more stable?

            Thanks again guys...

            Tom

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            • just4funsies
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2005
              • 843
              • Florida.
              • BT3000

              #7
              quote:Originally posted by Wood_workur

              Umm...

              Alder is the poor man's cherry. costs less than oak, but more that poplar.
              The alder I get, the more poplar I am... But I pine for the good oak days when I still had my cherry (before I got all spruced up and married that ugly birch!).
              ...eight, nine, TEN! Yep! Still got all my fingers!

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