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  • mpc
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2005
    • 1017
    • Cypress, CA, USA.
    • BT3000 orig 13amp model

    #16
    A third of one car stall? Wow. Is that your working space or "when not working, everything must squeeze into 1/3rd of a garage?"

    Rockler has a wall-hanging dust collector. It's not the most powerful thing out there but I doubt you'll be running dedicated dust collection piping for such a shop... you'll probably be moving the vacuum/dust collector hose from tool to tool as you work. That unit, retrofitted with an aftermarket bag (something that filters down to 1 micron or less is what your lungs will appreciate most) won't gobble floor space. Most dust collectors consume a fair bit of floor space - about 3 feet by 1.5 feet. You might consider a good shopvac or the Fein woodworking shop vac (more expensive but quiet) and the Oneida Dust Deputy (on sale at Rockler right now I believe) which will make a shop vac much more effective.

    I picked up the mid-size Delta dust collector recently clearanced at Lowes; it has the typical footprint but works pretty well. I connect it to one tool at a time; I don't have dedicated ducting in my garage either. One thing to consider too: how much electricity do you have in your shop/garage? A dust collector gobbles up as much amperage as a table saw; you don't want them on the same circuit breaker.

    Dust collectors are pretty basic machines until you get to the really pricey ones. The HF unit is virtually indistinguishable from others (save the paint colors). The older HF unit was known to have a weak power switch; that seems fixed on the newer unit (the one that comes with 5 micron bags). It's still a good idea to retrofit the HF to 1 micron (or smaller) bags (or a canister setup); even after the retrofit it can still end up cheaper than a name brand unit.

    For the BT3xxx saws, a 6 inch dado stack is recommended. 8 inch stacks don't fit inside some BT3s though a little filing of the aluminum inside the saw fixes that. An 8 inch stack is pretty heavy, and when cutting makes a lot of drag... the 6 inch setup is easier on the saw's motor. The Freud set has a good reputation; mine works well.

    Saw blade: I use Freud blades most of the time. I've been satisfied with their "Diablo" line; some folks thought the Freud Avanti blades were decent... just be careful; there is now a "Avanti" blade brand for sale (Home Depot) that is totally different. I have an 80 tooth blade for fine cuts and a 25 tooth rip blade that do the majority of my work.

    Zero clearance throat plate (ZCTP): Ryobi sold some plastic ZCTPs as accessories though those were sometimes warped a bit. Many folks have some left over from the BT3 accessory kit; check the Member Classified forums. It's easy to fit a piece of cabinet grade or Baltic Birch plywood (not the raddy construction grade stuff at home centers) to the BT3xxx saws since they have a rectangular throat plate compared to the oval shape of most other saws. A little chisel work in the corners to fit the mounting screw ears on the BT3xxx is all it takes to make your own. That's what I've done.

    mpc

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    • Norm in Fujino
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2002
      • 534
      • Fujino-machi, Kanagawa-ken, Japan.
      • Ryobi BT-3000

      #17
      Originally posted by phone60
      Thanks for the input, I believe I will go for a real DC unit although I probably go with a smaller one since I have a small shop ( 1/3 of a 1 car garage). I'm a little leary of Harbor Freight and their quality. Any suggestions for a small shop DC ???
      Another couple questions: Where can I get replacement blades and what type of general blade would you recommend?
      Would a 6" dado be sufficient ?
      Where to get a zero clearence throat plate?
      I started out using the bag, but it's pathetic; I now use a shop vac, but relatively powerful one, on my BT3000, and it is fully sufficient for my purposes; I do have a belly pan and other accoutrements that add to the efficiency. I use mostly Freud blades, available at Sears, Amazon, and my other places. I also use a Freud 6" dado, and yes, 6" is all the weight you want to spin on the BT3000, and it's probably sufficient for most anything you're likely to make. Zero-clearance throat plates can be bought from Ryobi (or used to be?), or you can make them yourself. I prefer the latter, since the store-bought ones I got weren't perfectly flat. I used 6cm clear cast acrylic for mine.
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      • pelligrini
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2007
        • 4217
        • Fort Worth, TX
        • Craftsman 21829

        #18
        The Leeway workshop (home of the famous shark guard) has a new production of ZCTPs. http://www.leestyron.com/1zctp.php There's also an article on there about making your own. I made several out of some maple flooring strips last summer. The Ryobi plates work, but they are not very stable. They will flex, especially after cutting a slot for the riving knife. I haven't used Lee's, but they do look pretty sturdy.

        A good shop vac will work fairly well, but not as well as a real dust collector. I used to use a Rigid 16 gallon with the detachable blower. It's a fairly stout vac (imploded a 33 gal trashcan in seconds), but it didn't work very well when I hooked up both the saw and my shark guard. I was using all flex hose though. The worst thing was that it was extremely noisy.

        I picked up a Jet-650 on craigslist and I have been pretty pleased with it. I do intend to get the felt bags off it in the near future and put a canister on top. I work out of a 10x12 shed, so I know what it's like working with tight spaces. I built a sturdier base with good casters and added some ducting and a Dustright setup creating my Dust collector Cart I would have liked to get a more powerful collector, but the timing and price was right on my Jet.

        The dust collector works much better with my shark guard for saw top collection than my shop vac did, especially when using a ZCTP. The vac just didn't move enough CFM. It was certainly better than the Ryobi bag.

        You should seriously consider getting a Shark Guard for your BT3. I think it is one of the best upgrades one could do for the saw. It will also help with your future dust collection.

        Most of the time I'm not very concerned with actual dust collection though, as most of my cutting is done out in front of my shed. It's usually just about chip collection. I am getting more focused on dust collection as I have been doing more cutting inside this winter.
        Erik

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        • phone60
          Forum Newbie
          • Feb 2010
          • 10
          • Philadelphia, PA
          • ryobi BT3100

          #19
          Hi,

          Been digging out of the snow the last week ( 42" ) and finally tried to use the grabbit extractor on the stripped screw with no luck, hav soaked with a product called lockit which is supposed to help break the rust to get out the screw so I'll try again later. Any other ideas as to getting out the screw????? I'm unable to take off the guarg and splitter and change out blade until I get this screw out. HELP

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          • Black wallnut
            cycling to health
            • Jan 2003
            • 5513
            • Ellensburg, Wa, USA.
            • BT3k 1999

            #20
            What rust? The screw goes into aluminum, there should be no rust. If you still have any semblences of a head left you should try a hand held impact driver and bit. If not then you may need to drill it out and retap the hole. There are other methods but without seeing exactly what you have left it is hard to advise.
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            • rberrybabylon
              Forum Newbie
              • Jul 2007
              • 38

              #21
              Be careful of cheap DC's

              Using a Sears wet/dry shop vac has worked great for me. I also installed a set of smooth plastic pipes and blast gates along the inside wall of the garage and the whole setup works fine. It even does a great with the planer. I think I got them from Peachtree. (The shop vac is very noisy, so you need ear plugs.)

              One mistake I made is I bought a Sears single bag dust collector on sale (for about $100). When I hooked it up to my planer (with the 4 in. hose), it couldn't handle the shavings and clogged the impeller/fan (one thing in its favor is it's very quiet). I went back to my shop vac and have had no problems since. I guess the point I'm trying to make is, if you are going to acquire a real dust collector, wait until you can afford a good one.

              I wish I could get my hundred bucks back...

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              • Garasaki
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2006
                • 550

                #22
                You could perhaps build a separator to handle the clogging issue.

                Your ears might thank you.
                -John

                "Look, I can't surrender without orders. I mean they emphasized that to me particularly. I don't know exactly why. The guy said "Blake, never surrender without checking"
                -Henry Blake

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                • phone60
                  Forum Newbie
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 10
                  • Philadelphia, PA
                  • ryobi BT3100

                  #23
                  I finally got back in the garage after having some health issues and was able to get the screw out by drilling it out.I removed the blade and it was in bad shape with rust on it and probably dull ( I got burn marks when cutting some scrap wood). Also removed the blade guard and will look into getting a shark guard. I am going to MLCS tomarrow and get a penn industries 1HP DC1B-XL Dust Collector with 1 Micron Bags for $279.95,it has a 1 micron bag and has a footprint of only 25" by 1" which will be ok fo my small shop.

                  Thanks for all your ideas

                  Greg

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                  • phone60
                    Forum Newbie
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 10
                    • Philadelphia, PA
                    • ryobi BT3100

                    #24
                    that's a footprint of 25" by 15"

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                    • phone60
                      Forum Newbie
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 10
                      • Philadelphia, PA
                      • ryobi BT3100

                      #25
                      Well I looked at the Penn Industries DC and it takes up a lot more than advertised. It's huge and with my small shop 10' by 20' floor space is at a premium with the Bt3100 ts . So I went to HD and got a Rigid 14 gal pro vac on sale (99.00) and with the HF 20% coupon paid $79.20. With money constraints and my only using one tool at a time (TS, bench top router table and bandsaw) the vac should help. I will probably get a dust deputy in the future.

                      Thanks for all your input

                      Greg

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