method needed.. bevel rip for a rookie..

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  • steve_b
    Forum Newbie
    • Apr 2006
    • 47
    • Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

    method needed.. bevel rip for a rookie..

    I don't have the manual handy and just planning my work for tonight..
    Looking for the proper setup from the experienced.
    I need to 45 deg bevel rip pine 3/4 x 4 x 48" on my 3100

    Since the blade goes right 45 - do I, as a matter of proper technique, move the fence to the left side of the blade and have the 'offcut' between the blade and the table (sounds sketchy to me)

    OR do I have the fence on the right use a feather board on the left to keep the board against the fence with the waste on top of the blade..

    thanks for sharing..
  • SARGE..g-47

    #2
    You keep the fence right for the specific reason of not trapping the off-shoot as that will get you in trouble quick.. very quick.. And.. use the feather board as you mentioned. This not only applies to a BT TS but.. any TS period.

    Good luck and stay alert.. not a difficult cut if you concentrate after setting up properly and properly includes a push stick of some method of keeping your hand away from the blade and a hold down on the fence.
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    • Black wallnut
      cycling to health
      • Jan 2003
      • 4715
      • Ellensburg, Wa, USA.
      • BT3k 1999

      #3
      Steve you will want the fence on the left of the blade on a BT3100. You might also want to apply a down feather board to keep the stock on the table. What you do not want to do with any table saw is to tip the blade towards the rip fence as that can and likely will trap the offcut.
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      • SARGE..g-47

        #4
        Opps.... Thanks Mark as you are absolutely correct. He mentioned right tilt in his post as I went back and read and I totally forgot about the right tilt on the BT as I haven't had one in 6 years or so.

        So... Steve.. follow Mark's advise and Always put the fence to the opposite side of the off-shoot.... and remember some saws are left tilt and some are rigth tilt as I didn't remember about the BT....

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        • RayintheUK
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2003
          • 1792
          • Crowborough, East Sussex, United Kingdom.
          • Ryobi BT3000

          #5
          Serge - you've got a left-tilt blade there, so keeping the fence to the right is good for you. However, as BW says, on the 3100 it needs to be on the left, because our blade tilts to the right (see about ¾ the way down this page). HTH

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          • LarryG
            The Full Monte
            • May 2004
            • 6693
            • Off The Back
            • Powermatic PM2000, BT3100-1

            #6
            Originally posted by Black wallnut
            What you do not want to do with any table saw is to tip the blade towards the rip fence as that can and likely will trap the offcut.
            This is the key. The top of the blade should always be leaning AWAY from the rip fence. But which side of the blade the fence is on will depend on which way the blade tilts.

            Sarge's photo shows the proper relationship between the blade and the rip fence -- but note that his is a LEFT-tilt saw. Since the BT3x00 is a RIGHT-tilt saw, the rip fence should be moved to the LEFT side of the blade for a beveled cut.
            Larry

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            • steve_b
              Forum Newbie
              • Apr 2006
              • 47
              • Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

              #7
              2 different answers?

              So the offcut is on top of the blade?
              or
              under the blade -BUT not trapped by a fence?

              I have attached 2 images - hopefully works
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              • steve_b
                Forum Newbie
                • Apr 2006
                • 47
                • Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

                #8
                sorry I was slower than the other posts so I'm a bit out of sequence, so image 1 is correct then..

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                • Tom Miller
                  Veteran Member
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 2507
                  • Twin Cities, MN
                  • BT3000 - Cuttin' it old school

                  #9
                  Originally posted by steve_b
                  2 different answers?

                  So the offcut is on top of the blade?
                  or
                  under the blade -BUT not trapped by a fence?
                  I think the confusion has to do with your definition of "offcut". Regardless of which piece is the "keeper", you want to use scenario #1 in your picture like LarryG (and others) said. Scenario #2 shows a piece "trapped" between the blade and the fence, because the blade is tilted towards the fence.

                  This bevel ripping situation, BTW, is a major reason for some to choose the left-tilting saws like Sarge's.

                  Regards,
                  Tom
                  [edit - I see you already got it.]

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                  • RAFlorida
                    Veteran Member
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 1179
                    • Green Swamp in Central Florida. Gator property!
                    • Ryobi BT3000

                    #10
                    Number 1 drawing is correct.

                    Not the number 2.

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                    • SARGE..g-47

                      #11
                      Yes... and I apoligize for the confusion as I missed right tilt and completely forgot about the BT having it as I stated in the post just after Mark posted. Several others came to the rescue also as they spotted the obvious mistake on my part as they were typing about the same time I posted to Mark that I stood corrected. Duh on my part.....

                      Most TS's built in the last several years will have left tilt which seems to be the trend but... there are still many older rights out there which the BT is one of them. So.. regardless for what saw you use...just remember to put the fence on the opposite side of the off-shoot or the side away from the tilting direction.

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                      • SARGE..g-47

                        #12
                        Sorry to everyone here that I confused from lack of memory and not reading carefully his first post as he did mention tiltting to the right which I should have caught.

                        Again.. MY BAD for confusing him....

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                        • RAFlorida
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 1179
                          • Green Swamp in Central Florida. Gator property!
                          • Ryobi BT3000

                          #13
                          Sarge. we all have our bad days!

                          The BT3xxxx just being a right tilt machine and some of us forget that part.

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                          • steve_b
                            Forum Newbie
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 47
                            • Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

                            #14
                            Thank you all..

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                            • cabinetman
                              Gone but not Forgotten RIP
                              • Jun 2006
                              • 15216
                              • So. Florida
                              • Delta

                              #15

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                              I agree with this general setup EXCEPT for having a featherboard on the waste piece (offcut). Once the cut is made through, that loose piece will not be a problem if it isn't restrained. This is just my opinion.
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