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  • timb
    Forum Newbie
    • Feb 2007
    • 76
    • Northern CA, USA
    • Craftsman 21829

    #1

    another "lady in red" joins the party

    Finally got myself a table saw after many years of procrastination and denial. What prompted it was a spousal desire for cabinets either side of the fireplace. The theory was that these could be bought pre-fabricated and finished from Hume Depuis.

    After several visits and a few pleasant hours spend watching the nice lady do battle with the cabinet design program it was determined that you can't get wood in white (only thermafoil) but you can get it unfinished for the same price and they want $100 for a 2X4 piece of plywood. The total quote was well over $3000 and needless to say this resulted in some heated discussions between the party covetous of shelving and the party responsible for obtaining the cash. A suggestion that said cabinets might be fabricated on site by the party with the pecuniary concerns was dismissed as taking much too long. This was hard to argue with since it did take me over a year to re-tile the very same fireplace. However after some analysis it was determined that the base cabinets could be obtained for about one third of the price and given that shelving is a relatively easy project if one has a table saw and that all had to be painted in any case which is where most of the work is, it was agreed that some on site fabrication was on the cards and a table saw should be procured forthwith.

    Hence I am now the proud owner of a Craftsman 21829. I decided on this saw because of its portability and its BT3 pedigree - a table saw with a cult following...so strange it's irresistible.

    Bought it, boxed off the floor at the local Sears saving myself the $100 shipping they wanted at the time but somehow I cleverly avoided the opportunity to get $50 off by joining the Craftsman tool club - Probably there's free shipping now its on sale again this weekend .

    Much of my first weekend of ownership was spent clearing a space in the garage large enough to swing a cat. Much to the relief of our feline companions I then proceeded to use said space to unpack the saw - not too hard if the box is the correct side up, the thing has wheels and almost unpacks itself if you give it a chance to work with gravity. I then tried to make some sense of the rather peculiar organization of the Operators Manual. Looking at it again it doesn't seem that bad so maybe I was just heady with excitement. Anyhow, all the parts seemed to be present and things became duly assembled. I did notice that the manual indicates that there are supposed to be two miter indicators on the miter fence and one was missing Despite the dire warnings that in the case of missing parts one should shun the saw until it is made whole else risk death or dismemberment, I decided to operate it anyway. Nothing untoward resulted so I think it was a reasonable risk

    The first test cut revealed that despite the assurances of the manual that all was set at the factory, all, in fact, was out of alignment. The SMT was out about 1/8 in in 24 in and the height stops were about 1 degree off. These taken care of I turned my attention to the rip fence and found it to be about 1/16 off in 24 in. As I was adjusting this I notice the the fence "Front Block" would rise up when I engaged the locking handle. I consulted the venerable BT3Central FAQ and following its advice cleaned the rail and re-checked the alignment. But to no avail. I didn't like the idea of sanding the rail so I decide to apply the old grey matter instead - figuratively speaking of course.

    At first I thought that maybe the far end fence clamp screw was too tight and that engaging the end clamp was somehow pulling up the front. However I found the problem occurred when the locking handle was in the first position before the end clamp engaged. I tried fiddling with the placement of the plastic locking "plate" and the plastic "slides" but that made no difference. I finally focused on the six milled "wings" that are on the underside of the "Front Block" and stick in toward the back of the front rail. These were painted with the same slick grey paint as the saw table top. This I figured must be the problem. I removed the slides, took a 10 inch flat file and gently ran it across all six milled wings. It seems that not only were they painted but that the milling was off quite a bit so that they were not actually aligned. A few more strokes of the file fixed this and after re-installing the slides the Front Block behaved better.

    Looking along the back of the rail I noticed that when the locking handle was engaged only a small part of the milled wings actually touched the back of the rail and this was toward the top. Possibly I made this worse with my filing and in hindsight I should have checked this first. In any case I decided to fix it by temporarily taping a long narrow piece of 600 grit carborundum paper flush to the back of the rail, face out along where the milled wings run. I then ran the front block back and forth a few times holding it so the milled wings were in tight contact with the carborundum paper strip. This was quite effective in getting the milled wings to seat flush against the back of the rail. Problem solved - no more front block rising up and no need to sand the rails.

    I got nervous at one point and checked - if you screw up beyond recovery a new front block is $25 + shipping from Sears parts - you have to enter model# 315.218290 to find it and not just 218929- took me a while to figure that out)

    I wasn't too happy with the stock blade - a 32T Craftsman brand of Chinese origin so I replaced it with a 50T Thin Kerf Freud chosen based on some recommendations I found hereabouts. It makes much smoother cuts as one might expect from those extra teeth but for a while I was really regretting this "upgrade" since it proved very hard to align to my satisfaction. Then I discovered the engineer square I was using had gone out of alignment and actually all is well

    Cabinets come this week, so time to start looking for wood. Thanks for all the help you didn't know you'd given me. Much appreciated.

    Tim
  • Pappy
    The Full Monte
    • Dec 2002
    • 10463
    • San Marcos, TX, USA.
    • BT3000 (x2)

    #2
    Welcome to the Asylum, Tim! After reading your introduction, I belive there has been a room reserved for you all along.
    Don, aka Pappy,

    Wise men talk because they have something to say,
    Fools because they have to say something.
    Plato

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    • bigstick509
      Veteran Member
      • Dec 2004
      • 1227
      • Macomb, MI, USA.
      • BT3100

      #3
      Welcome



      Mike

      "It's not the things you don't know that will hurt you, it's the things you think you know that ain't so." - Mark Twain

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      • leehljp
        The Full Monte
        • Dec 2002
        • 8687
        • Tunica, MS
        • BT3000/3100

        #4
        Welcome Tim. Enjoyed reading about your setup. I have a BT3000 here in Japan and never had a problem with it. I have a 3100 in the States and when purchased, the SMT would not tighten properly, too much side to side play. With my previous experience of the 3000, I took the SMT apart, spotted the problem and fixed the slack myself.

        It is good to see that you have the talent to make adjustments. I much prefer to do that myself if possible. With your talent for spotting problems and coming up with a workable solutions, you will do well with your woodworking projects. Let us see some of your work here!
        Hank Lee

        Experience is what you get when you don't get what you wanted!

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        • SARGE..g-47

          #5
          Good morning Tim...

          Welcome... so pull up a chair and sit a spell.........

          Some of these old geezers like the one's that have already replied (donning flak jacket and ducking cause I sense "Incoming" :>) know how to fine tune this saw to the absolute maximum that you will get from it. And it will last a long time as long as you don't decide to get "macho" and get in water over it's head.

          Good luck with those cabinets to appease for the compromise. I'm still workin' on that bird-house I started back in 1972. ha.. ha...

          Enjoy...

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          • softop41
            Established Member
            • Jul 2004
            • 470
            • Plainfield, IL, USA.
            • BT3100-1

            #6
            Tim,
            Welcome to the best forum on the 'Net, hands down! Unlike other forums on our topic, this one will give you answers and opinions without getting nasty like on the other forums. This forum is rich in ideas, techniques, and information that all are willling to share.

            Welcome aboard and be safe.
            Jerry
            Jerry
            Making High Quality Sawdust in Northeast Plainfield

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            • Ed62
              The Full Monte
              • Oct 2006
              • 6021
              • NW Indiana
              • BT3K

              #7
              Welcome aboard Tim. The others have said it all. It's simply the best!

              Ed
              Do you know about kickback? Ray has a good writeup here... https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained

              For a kickback demonstration video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/910584...demonstration/

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              • Black wallnut
                cycling to health
                • Jan 2003
                • 4715
                • Ellensburg, Wa, USA.
                • BT3k 1999

                #8
                Welcome Tim!

                Congrats on convincing your CFO of the need of a percision machine tool! I think you may have discovered something new and added to the vast knowledgebase of this forum. I'm not sure that others have checked that the bosses on the front block are milled even but it sounds like that is what was the issue with your saw. Kudos for researching, learning, understanding and then troubleshooting yours to identify and fix its' problem. With those skills and your aptitude that enabled them along with Hank I believe you can expect great things to emerge from your wood working workspace. Please post some pictures, prior to painting,all the beautiful wood you cut up and assemble in your up and comming project.


                That said methinks it's time for me to head out to my shrine and light a few candles and get my saw in the spirt of cooperation for my todays project.
                Donate to my Tour de Cure


                marK in WA and Ryobi Fanatic Association State President ©

                Head servant of the forum

                ©

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                • timb
                  Forum Newbie
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 76
                  • Northern CA, USA
                  • Craftsman 21829

                  #9
                  Thanks for the welcome. Nice to virtually meet you all.

                  Spend some time today squaring up bits of scrap wood just for fun, making my first feather board and figuring out how to mount my router in between trying to finish off a small alcove I have been making for the hole in the wall in bathroom I had left for it last fall. I'm told people round here are starting to to get fed up with looking at that hole. Not sure where all the time goes but I think the alcove would be done by now if I'd had the saw back then. Trouble is now I've got no excuse even though its too late for the new saw to help much. The thing was "almost complete" when I was distracted by doing whatever it is I've been doing for the last 6 mos or so.

                  Despite having the the new saw to play with, the alcove is now in one piece and primed thus hiding all the wood putty I used to fill the gaps that resulted from not having a table saw - my excuse anyway. I even mowed the lawn and installed a new automatic outside light - must be spring or something.

                  Tim

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                  • rlah
                    Forum Newbie
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 73
                    • Indiana
                    • Craftsman 21829

                    #10
                    Originally posted by timb
                    ... Hence I am now the proud owner of a Craftsman 21829. I decided on this saw because of its portability and its BT3 pedigree - a table saw with a cult following...so strange it's irresistible.

                    ...Thanks for all the help you didn't know you'd given me. Much appreciated.

                    Tim
                    I enjoyed the entertaining post and the tips on your new "lady in red"... maybe I should change my (clever) saying from "BT3Craftsman" to yours.
                    I didn't notice a problem of the rip fence or SMT misalignment out of the box, but I did have to re-align the rip fence after a kickback experience... watch out for these, that "lady" can bite at times. I'm not quite the newbie I was 2-3 months ago.

                    I also haven't noticed the "front block" of the rip fence rising up when the handle is engaged, but I'll check this further.

                    I recently cross-cut a 22" x 40" panel of 3/4" plywood on the SMT - what an experience... and (with a little "finageling") got it square within 1/32" or less.

                    I'll second the grateful thanks to all the veterans here who give such helpful advice ... this forum puts real value on the 'Net. I, like you, bought this saw partly because of the very real service that comes with it, not the manufacturers service, but the BT3Central service.

                    rlah

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