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  • atgcpaul
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2003
    • 4055
    • Maryland
    • Grizzly 1023SLX

    #1

    Renting out your house. DIY conundrum

    We are in a situation where in a few months to a year, we have to decide if we're going to rent out our house, sell the house, or leave it empty (which really isn't an option financially).

    If we sell or rent, there are some improvements that need to done to make it marketable. Before this "opportunity" (that's what my wife calls it) came about, we were going to do a whole master bath remodel (replace tub with a walk-in shower, remove small shower stall and turn it into a closet, and re-do the double vanity, but now I'm thinking to just replace the shower stall and call it a day whether we sell or rent. What do you think?

    If we sell the house, I don't see the need to replace the fridge, gas range, washer, or dryer--do you? I just replaced the water heater this year. If we rent the house out, I think we will need to replace the fridge (which is what I've been wanting for a while) as well as upgrade the washer and dryer to something more modern. The current washer/dryer were there when we bought (10 years ago) and probably came with the house (18 years old) and work fine, though. We have some new apartments built down the street which we'll be competing with if we rent. They don't have as many bedrooms, yard, and garage, but I just don't know what renters are looking for. There's also the age of the HVAC system to consider which I don't think renters will consider.

    I also have to finish replacing some siding on the house and finish painting it so these are additional expenses.

    This "opportunity" will have us return to this area every so often so we do need a home base, but not necessarily a house. Although we bought at the peak in 2006 and our house isn't worth as much, we are hopeful in the long run that we'll be back or even better than where we are. We live in the DC metro area so housing is pretty expensive here. If we sell and came back later, I doubt we could afford to.

    Finally, if we rent, we'll be using a property management company. Any experience there? For example, let's say our heat dies in the winter. Who is on the hook for the repairs and potential temporary housing? Do most management companies include that kind of coverage in their agreements or am I paying them to just do background checks and that's about it?

    Thanks,
    Paul
  • jabe
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2006
    • 577
    • Hilo, Hawaii
    • Ryobi BT3000 & Delta Milwaukee 10" tilting Table circular saw

    #2
    Aloha Paul,

    If you do not plan on moving back, sell only if you'll make a profit and buy another home where you're going to live. Rent if you'll have positive cash flow from the rent less property management fees. Only way I would rent with a negative cash flow is, I need the tax write off, can manage the mortgage/insurance payments, future repairs and appliance replacements.

    If you sell go ahead and do the bathroom remodel and paint the house int. & ext. Do not replace the appliance as a incentive give the buyer a $$$ towards new appliances, most buyers would rather select their own style of appliances. You'll deduct the appliance incentive from the sale price be sure the buyer understand this.

    If you rent just paint the int. & ext. of the house, do any minor/major repairs to the int. and ext. if needed. Do not replace the appliances, or HVAC system if it's in good working condition. Reason for this is you can write off any repairs or appliance replacement cost after it's rented. Plus some tenants do not take care of things but, if they're good tenants and have been with you for a long time then when you need to replace appliances etc., you'll feel confident in buying better quality products.

    It has been my experience with property mgmt. companies that any repairs, appliance repairs/replacement will be your cost, usually deducted from the rent unless it's over the rent amount then you'll have to cover that. Good thing about them if you're away, is they take care of the advertising, screening of the potential tenants, collect the rent and maintenance issues of course they take a monthly percentage of the rent for their services.

    Lastly, if you decide to replace the appliances. do not buy any SamSung appliances they're junk, lots of problems, don't believe the reviews. If you rent and need to replace the appliances buy the 3 or 5 yr. extended warranty, you can write off the cost and it'll save you a lot of stress for you & the property manager. Also, whenever you travel back to where your rental is, make sure you check in with the property manager, visit the rental home, meet the tenants and keep all of the receipts for this travel/lodging/car rental/meals, document time & place so that you can write off these expenses.

    I've been a landlord for over 30 yrs. I also manage/repair all of my rentals. In my county there is a "Affordable Rental Property Tax Exception" that we can get if I keep my rent at or below that amount. Something you might want to investigate in your State/County, if it'll still keep you at a positive cash flow. All of my current tenants have been with me for over 10+ yrs.. I've been lucky with that, I've also had some duds too and it's a pain to evict them. Since I do most of the maintenance & repair on the rentals, I get to write off all of my tools, truck/fuel, lawn equipment, fertilizers and herbicides etc.. I also get to write off my home office, office supplies, computers/printers, a percentage of my utilities. Just need to keep good records/receipts and have a good tax accountant.

    Hope this helps.
    Jimmy







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    • atgcpaul
      Veteran Member
      • Aug 2003
      • 4055
      • Maryland
      • Grizzly 1023SLX

      #3
      Jimmy, thanks for that information. It is good to know that some of these expenses can be written off. Do you know at what point that can happen, though--once I enter into an agreement with a management company or only after a renter occupies the house? A new fridge can be swapped in relatively easy when someone is already living here. However, we need to replace the carpet in our living room. It would be nice to replace it to get the tax advantage, but not after someone has moved in.

      Do you also know when you start paying the management company--only after they find a tenant or am I paying them their fee (I've heard 50% first month and 10% afterwards) as soon as we agree to have them manage our house?

      Thanks,
      Paul

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      • tfischer
        Veteran Member
        • Jul 2003
        • 2349
        • Plymouth (Minneapolis), MN, USA.
        • BT3100

        #4
        It's imposible for us to say from our distance to answer questions such as "I don't see the need to replace the fridge, gas range, washer, or dryer--do you?" until we know the condition of these things, and the state of the rental market you're in, and what amount of rent you're hoping to collect. If the appliances are in good workable condition but just older, and you're not renting a high-end house with high-end rents, I wouldn't replace them, at least until I heard people passing me up due to these things. Same with the shower stall... we can't see it so we don't know if it should be replaced. I certainly wouldn't switch to a walk-in tub if you're not planning to use it for yourself.

        Concentrate on the things that need fixing (e.g. unusable appliances or very old ones) and making it look good cosmetically. Whatever you put into it is money that will be harder to recover later, especially if your ultimate goal is just to sell.

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        • jabe
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2006
          • 577
          • Hilo, Hawaii
          • Ryobi BT3000 & Delta Milwaukee 10" tilting Table circular saw

          #5
          Aloha Paul,
          Sorry for not responding right away. I'm still recovering from back surgery so was busy with some PT. Doing fine now.

          Talk to your tax accountant as to when you can start writing off your rental expenses, it's been so long for me that tax laws might have changed. I know it's easier to change the carpet before the tenants move in, and I would do it same as painting the interior of the home.

          Now this was 10 + yrs. ago so it might have changed. At that time, for most property management company in Hawaii, would charge 20% of the 1st month rent and 10% of the months rent there after. I do not use a them, I manage my own as I live close by my rentals. I'm considered an "Active Landlord" by the IRS as I manage the rentals, do all the repairs and maintenance.

          Since you will be far away from your rental, you will have to use a Property management company to take care of things for you, not to mention giving you peace of mind with the rental. So in your case you would be a "Passive Landlord" so you wouldn't be able to write off as much as a Active Landlord. You can write off the property management fees, repairs done by their people or contractors hired to do it, as well as your property tax and insurances. You can write off your trip back to see your rental just document everything and keep all the receipts. Talk to your tax accountant for advice.

          Hope this helped, Good Luck with this endeavor.
          Happy Holidays Mele Kaliki Maka (Merry Christmas) to you & family
          Take Care Jimmy

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