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[Black wallnut]

The thread was under discussion by the staff from the start. Today it crossed the line. One Mod replied with this....

"Disguised, masked, veiled - often ends in provoking and irritating and it is harder to control than direct discussions. The problem is, for one person, a choice of words in unintentional and while for another, the same word is intentionally chosen to have a double meaning. Veiled messages continue on after a specific discussion has ended. While one person may not mean anything bad, it is "read" as bad or demeaning or political, and then THAT results in such formality in word usage that the life of the community is threatened and relationship/friendships are endangered!

WHEN people "joke" about the veiled language, it has gone too far. Joking about having successfully posted veiled language reveals subtle contempt for the leadership or rules at the least and directly provokes others while having the cover of "I didn't say anything wrong".

[LinuxRandal]

Must have missed a bunch today, no thread is even mentioned.

[chopnhack]

I promise it wasn't me. I honestly was in the shop all day making perfectly large boards into crooked smaller ones. Gluing them together and then jointing them square. My wife asked my I couldn't just buy a board large enough.... I asked her "when was the last time you saw an 18" wide board..." it was a dumb question the moment it left my lips. I immediately followed with "they don't make them that big".

[tommyt654]

Guess I missed it as well, some folks have NO sense of humor

[RAFlorida]

Nor me; I've been busy trying to figure out

what chopnhacks doin'! lol

[TB Roye]

Checked in 3 or 4 time yesterday, must have been short and sweet because I missed it. I just remembered it. Thought about responding but under the circumstance of the last few days decided against it. Personally I didn't see anything too bad about but figured out what I thought was going on. My My 70 years old and my mind still works some time.

Tom

[LinuxRandal]

Checked in 3 or 4 time yesterday, must have been short and sweet because I missed it. I just remembered it. Thought about responding but under the circumstance of the last few days decided against it. Personally I didn't see anything too bad about but figured out what I thought was going on. My My 70 years old and my mind still works some time.

Tom

If you just remembered it, maybe you could enlighten us????????

My point being, if there is something that we aren't to discuss, shouldn't we know what it is, FIRST? Like I said, I have NO IDEA what the thread, or subject is/was, he was referring to.

[cwsmith]

I hope I'm not breaking any of the forum rules here, but I'm guessing it was that subject about "foreign wood" (can't remember the exact title)

I might well be wrong though. I looked at it, and found it's wording sort of questionable. Nothing wrong from the point of view of bad language or slang terms, but the way the subject was worded, it left me wondering if we were really talking about "foreign" vs "domestic" wood species or something else.

Not being sure of the objective there, I thought I might be wrong and stayed away from the subject. It could very well have been legit, but I wasn't all that sure and thus thought it best to observe in case my paranoia might be acting up.

CWS

[chopnhack]

Why? Are we not allowed to talk about current events? I thought foul language, religion and politics were the only items off limits. I had a few posts, in that one and my last was quit witty to boot. What went so wrong that it got yanked? Was there a personal attack or did someone become offended by something? The event was horrific and offensive, a bunch of friends talking about it shouldn't be an issue. Mods, what went down??

[Stytooner]

I posted in it too. It did result in a flag to the Mod's by at least one member. This was very early on. At that time, I saw nothing wrong with it.
It was monitored closely and we all discussed it at length. It was not a unanimous decision. It didn't result in any infractions given out, but probably would have if left to continue.
Being from the South, the veiled language that was being used was starting to sound all too familiar to me and was bringing back memories of a not too distant past. My interpretation of some of it anyway. Whether intentional or not, that kind of hidden meaning can be misinterpreted easily enough. I won't get into the debate about how political that era was and still is to many.
I shouldn't have to.

This is a Worldwide Community here. We don't flame individuals and we don't discuss harming others either. Hidden or double entendre or not. It gets even worse when we start joking about it. It personally just gave me a bad taste in my mouth.
I would rather have seen the discussion progress using a more succinct language. It would have been monitored closely as well, but there would have been less chance that what was said meant something else.
We cannot always make the right call when there is a gray area like this.
This is an instance where no matter what we do, someone will be offended. We strive to be as light handed as possible when it comes to censoring and moderation.
My apologies to those.

[chopnhack]

I didn't read anything that might have taken us down "that" road, but I can understand the thread getting mod'd if it seemed it was going that way. The part about harming others, I can understand that as well, but if you are around the office cooler and talking about the "terrorist" who did this (Boston Marathon) and you describe a befitting sentence, I know I for one will be very detailed in my commentary.
I am not from the south, so if I offended anyone with my culling bad lumber and tossing it into the burn pile comment, it strictly was of a non racial nature and was intended for the person that killed and injured so many innocents that day.

[tommyt654]

Guess I'm the guilty party here as I made a few off the cuff remarks concerning species of lumber. I am from the south,always have been and was not offended in anyway as my comments were made in jest,lighthearted,humorous, perhaps someone with less a sense of humor than mine and others here were offended. If so aplogies sent.Either way it was not intended as apparently received. I do find it odd that we cannot seem to be adults here and discuss current events without having someone becoming offended in this PC world we apparently now live in,hence the framing of my initial posting, no harm was intended ,nor was it meant to inflame any of the mods(tho from here I gather it did ).Either way its over and soon enough judging from recents events will be the end of the event in question. Those who posted obviously got what was going on and some didn't and responded as I would have thought in a light hearted manner, Again no offense was offered as It was given as being jovial in its context. Now I'll go back to getting my redneck by finishing tillin my garden a terminolgy that was given to southerners because they commonly work the fields and gardens and get rednecks because thats usually exposed when working outdoors and readily exposed to the sun

[woodturner]

I do find it odd that we cannot seem to be adults here and discuss current events without having someone becoming offended in this PC world we apparently now live in,hence the framing of my initial posting, no harm was intended

And yet your post suggests you are "offended" that others were offended.

In my opinion, the real issue is that most of us tend to "assume" that others think the way we do. I don't mean to be rude, but you are essentially saying those who think differently than you are wrong and don't have a valid opinion, especially when terms like "PC world" are used. You can say it is "in jest" or whatever, but I don't think many people see it that way.

I think it's a challenge for most of us to consider other's views carefully and avoid the "knee jerk" gut reaction. I certainly struggle with that.

I enjoy and value you as an individual and have greatly benefited from most of your posts. That said, I have also learned that you hold strong views on some subjects and are not comfortable enough to discuss differing views (and this probably applies to most or all of us, on some subject), so I've learned to just stay out of those discussions.

I guess what I'm suggesting is that we all try to be a little more understanding of other's views and at least pause and think a moment before condemning another poster who has a different opinion, even with comments we claim were for fun or made in jest.

[Stytooner]

No apologies other than my own are needed. The comments were ambiguous, so true intent was unclear, however the multiple meanings of some of the wording could easily be misinterpreted by the reader. There are many different mindsets in a Worldwide community.

The topic we were discussing is not against the rules. That is if it is discussed in a civil manner. In a conversation around the water cooler there are things said that cannot and should not be said publicly here. Much smaller audience and the conversation has a very short lifespan. Not so when detailed in a public forum.

I never asked to be a moderator here. I don't like doing the job. I will however, do it to the best of my ability. Sometimes doing so rubs people wrong. Most all the time it rubs at least someone wrong. That is part of the responsibility of the position and trust me, it is not taken lightly.
Again, my apologies to those that have issues with the action taken. It was done for the good of the many.

[tommyt654]

Incorrect, I'm not in the least way offended, I find it amusing, I made no assumptions as it was based in a humorous manner. Any "knee jerk" reaction were clearly not mine and as I stated if someone was offended then I apologized in my previous comment. If we all seem nowadays to be all caught up in this "PC" correct world we now have to live in, I for 1 don't adhere to it, nor do I abhor it either as their are times it need to be addressed, but not very often. I call a spade a spade and speak my opinions clearly on matters in most instances. Yes I am opinionated, thats what endears me to soooooo many in my life,I don't beat around the bush( tho in this instance I did trying to reflect some comradery and still be conscious of others feeling) and often times find myself at odds with others. You get that way after a few yrs of watching folks being taking advantage of by others and develope a sense of determination in avoiding confusion on where one stands