Woman Steals Wireless Internet Service

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  • phi1l
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 681
    • Madison, WI

    #16
    Originally posted by LarryG
    Maybe not illegal, per se, but very likely a violation of the service agreement with the ISP. In fact I would bet on it being a violation of the service agreement.
    But... I think it's a question of what they can enforce. I remember when they used to put "use only for one computer" in the service agreement, & they have given up on that one.

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    • jussi
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 2162

      #17
      Originally posted by dbhost

      On the subject of legal. Does anyone know if it would be legal to INTENTIONALLY share WiFi with your neighbors? Say for example if my neighbor bought the absolute fastest broadband money can buy, and I pay him to piggy back, he sets me up with the WEP keys etc...

      How would that be legally any different than say running a Cat 5 over the fence?

      Funny thing is I heard Leo suggest this to a caller recently who called with the same "problem" as this lady.
      I reject your reality and substitute my own.

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      • jussi
        Veteran Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 2162

        #18
        If you're a fan of Leo this is a pretty funny clip only because you never see him get mad. **Warning** A bit of profanity is used.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsV-lgnAjps
        I reject your reality and substitute my own.

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        • LarryG
          The Full Monte
          • May 2004
          • 6693
          • Off The Back
          • Powermatic PM2000, BT3100-1

          #19
          Originally posted by phi1l
          But... I think it's a question of what they can enforce.
          Oh, absolutely. I'm just relaying what the fine print stipulates, not commenting on what people actually do and get away with.

          The partial paragraph I quote goes on to provide exceptions for family members or business associates; my ISP recognizes that households nowadays have multiple computers and wireless networks and so they do allow "sharing" in that sense. However, if I wanted to dig more deeply into the legalese, there's probably a stipulation in there somewhere about said family members having to be in the same household, or said business associates having to be at the same physical address. But will they enforce it? Probably not, unless it's a really blatant or visible violation.

          The kicker, though, is exactly what Dave said: that same paragraph concludes by saying that I'm legally responsible for whatever happens via my connection whether it happens with my consent or not. So if share my connection with a neighbor, and that neighbor traffics in kiddie porn or drugs ... legally, I could be in deep doo-doo.

          (One other thing: Dave asked, "How would [giving a neighbor wireless access to my network] be legally any different than say running a Cat 5 over the fence?" IMO it wouldn't be any different at all, but both would be violations of the service agreement. Again, whether that agreement is enforced is another matter.)
          Larry

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          • pelligrini
            Veteran Member
            • Apr 2007
            • 4217
            • Fort Worth, TX
            • Craftsman 21829

            #20
            Originally posted by LarryG
            The kicker, though, is exactly what Dave said: that same paragraph concludes by saying that I'm legally responsible for whatever happens via my connection whether it happens with my consent or not. So if share my connection with a neighbor, and that neighbor traffics in kiddie porn or drugs ... legally, I could be in deep doo-doo.
            Or more often than not, file sharing especially music or video. That will usually get tracked down quicker than the other.

            I found I had a few neighbors with wide open wireless networks a couple christmases ago when I got my mom a laptop. She powered it up and had immediate access to the internet.
            Erik

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            • vaking
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2005
              • 1428
              • Montclair, NJ, USA.
              • Ryobi BT3100-1

              #21
              If your neigbor were to allow you to connect to his WiFi and split the cost of Internet access with you - he would be reselling Internet access. I am pretty certain that terms of residential agreement prohibit reselling of services. May be allowing neigbor computer is no different than your own but accepting money for it makes a big difference. How enforceable it is - that is a separate question.
              Alex V

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              • jackellis
                Veteran Member
                • Nov 2003
                • 2638
                • Tahoe City, CA, USA.
                • BT3100

                #22
                I lock down the access point I use for work. We provide wireless access in a rental place and I do not lock that one down, though I'm beginning to have second thoughts now. For example, what's our liability if someone has their identity stolen?

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                • crokett
                  The Full Monte
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 10627
                  • Mebane, NC, USA.
                  • Ryobi BT3000

                  #23
                  I broke my service agreement with the cable co some years ago. Before my wife and I got married we were neighbors. All she had was dial-up. I added a wireless card to her PC and connected it to my network.
                  David

                  The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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                  • cabinetman
                    Gone but not Forgotten RIP
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 15216
                    • So. Florida
                    • Delta

                    #24
                    Originally posted by crokett
                    I broke my service agreement with the cable co some years ago. Before my wife and I got married we were neighbors. All she had was dial-up. I added a wireless card to her PC and connected it to my network.

                    We'll keep it a secret.
                    .

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                    • Tom Slick
                      Veteran Member
                      • May 2005
                      • 2913
                      • Paso Robles, Calif, USA.
                      • sears BT3 clone

                      #25
                      I like the fact that she has no clue that someone may have turned it off. She thinks she needs more gear to get it back.

                      Some cities, such as Santa Clara, Calif. (silicon valley) have public wifi.
                      http://www.santaclarafreewifi.com/terms.html
                      Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison

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