Milk toxicity

[Mr__Bill]

Thought it best to continue this in a new thread.

The dairy allergy in my family isn't all dairy, and the allergist says it isn't an allergy.

The allergist says it's a "toxicity," and what's weird is that cow's (only) milk (and related products) is the problem.

For example, they sell evaporated goat's milk. Having made a pumpkin pie from the stuff, I'll never be buying *that* product again. But maybe somebody out there likes goaty pumpkin pie.

Unflavored soy milk is an easy substitution in most recipes that call for some milk. Pumpkin pie has worked best when made with oat milk that I've evaporated. Nucoa margarine works for cooking, and we use Earth Balance for spreading.

The killer is that until one is used to registering things like "whey" as being off-limits, one can check for milk products and still not notice them. Many times, a well-intentioned person has asserted that something is safe to eat, and has been wrong.

In this case, symptoms start with a headache, then the neck muscles cramp up, and a very high fever comes next. That's as far as it's gotten so far, thank heaven.

I like goat cheese but the milk is a bit much for me. I use non dairy Coffee creamer in my pumpkin pies, today it's Moch Mix. I have also used Coffee Rich. For the pie use 22 oz for the called for 24 oz of evaporited milk. Bake at 425 for 25 min and then reduce temp to 350 for another 45 min. Test for done by jiggling the pie if the center is firm but moves then it's done. Some times for reasons I'll never know it takes another 10 or so minutes to firm up. I think the electricity is hotter some days than others.

For many things Soy milk works but I have been off of milk so long that I am now lactose intolerant and the lactose in soy is close enough to cow that it gives me a problem. I'll have to look for oat milk, the rice milk is not much use in cooking, little better than water. Oat milk might work well in pancakes, coffee creamer is a bit much there.

If you like pizza real Mozzarella is made from water buffalo milk and should not bother you except again for the lactose. You may have to find a real Italian deli to get this. Goat cheese is nice on a pizza too.

I have had friends proudly tell me that there is no milk in the dinner they are serving only to look at it and see all the melted cheese. Whey is used as the protein for almost everything that is protein enriched. Even though cheese is not used everywhere in Italy it's almost impossible to find an Italian restaurant that has a meal with out cheese in it. Same for Mexican restaurants. In Mexico cheese in not in everything but bring that food to the states and the dairy lobby wins. Rant, Rant, Rant, Rant, Rant.......

It's a good thing that I like to cook, eating out often is just not worth the headache. Tonight it's pumpkin pie with non dairy Cool Whip! With some stir-fry for an appetizer.

Bill,
to top it off, I live in Oregon and am allergic to pine and fir pollen.

[leehljp]

To each, his own! It amazes me the way that human bodies are so different. Peanut butter is very healthy to some and even miniscule amounts will kill others.

Milk even has different reputations with different doctors.

Since I was about 8 or 9, I have had stomach acid, burning stomach acid if I eat cinnamon, tomato sauce/cooked tomatoes, hot peppers, citrus, some fruits (tart), acidic foods, coffee, or tea in certain situations.

I started taking Tums/Rolaids at that age along with malox after meals on occasion. BUT mild cases of stomach acid were quenched with milk. Milk neutralized the acid on many occasions.

Fast forward to 2000, an gastroenterology clinic that I went to for a colonoscopy - the doctor questioned me about the acidic stomach and asked why no other doctor had ever done anything. I replied that I did not know but I wrote that information down with every new doctor. This doctor said he was going to "cure me." He gave me a pill (Aciphex) that did. I can eat anything now!


An Argument about Milk with the next doctor:
2005 Another doctor for another colonoscopy: "Why are you taking Aciphex?"

I explained the situation and mentioned milk or Tums or Rolaids or Rolaids and that in Japan, milk was much easier to get than medicines. THIS doctor said: Don't you know that MILK causes Acid, does not stop it!

I told him that in some people's cases "it would ferment or turn to acid or whatever, but in some cases it would neutralize it. Pour a tablespoon of milk into a fizzing coke and watch it kill the bubbles!"

He smiled at me and acknowledged that is some cases milk did the opposite. I am sure he knew more about it than me but I do know that milk coated or stopped the acidic burning.


Everyone is different. As my mom used to say, "Know your own body and let the doctor know what you know." MILK - I love it and am glad that I am not allergic to it. However, LOML makes me buy non-fat - less than .5% for her. I can't stand it personally.

Non drowsy allergy tablets make me drowsy; many of the drowsy tablets don't affect me - as to being drowsy.


My ONE food allergy: Wheat. It is minor, but it does cause some problems.

[crokett]

I wonder if my wife has a milk toxicity rather than an allergy. She can't have any dairy, even most processed stuff. There is some protein or other in milk that she can't process. As a result, no milk in our house. The kids drink soy. they don't need to, but she does the shopping. Even after 6 years I still haven't learned to have soy in my cereal. It just isn't the same.

[phi1l]

I suspect that the problem doesn't have that much do do with acid as much as to does with in-adequate mucus production. Have you ever wondered why your stomach doesn't digest itself? The stomach lining secretes mucus to protect itself. Hopefully it generates mucus fast enough to balance the rate at which the stomach acid breaks it down. The milk you drank helps mucus production, that's why it relieved your pain.

A side effect of NSAIDs is to reduce mucus production, that's is why things like aspirin & ibuprofen can cause stomach problems.

And, (although I have no scientific proof) I thin that eating large quantities of non-soluble fiber, like whole wheat, can cause problems by eroding and absorbing the protective mucus layer.