Warning! Tool Rant! If you don't wanna listen to me piss and moan, stay out!

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  • Uncle Cracker
    The Full Monte
    • May 2007
    • 7091
    • Sunshine State
    • BT3000

    #1

    Warning! Tool Rant! If you don't wanna listen to me piss and moan, stay out!

    OK, I've got a neat mini-chuck (model CSC500) from Penn State Industries for my Jet pen lathe... So I'd like to get a set of Cole jaws (those flat jaws with the little rubber knobs) for it, so I can occasionally turn something of a bit larger size than a pen or a chess piece. The sales data for the 5" and the 8" Cole jaws from Penn State (I'll call 'em PSI for short) say that they will fit "any C-series PSI chuck".

    Still worried, because my chuck is smaller than the others in the line, I call PSI's tech support. (They are well-regarded, but I have never needed them before.) I give the dude my specific model number, explain that I am worried that the add-on jaws won't fit despite the fact that my chuck is a "C-series", and I do not want to have to go through the hassle of trying them and sending them back. He says "You may be right... hold on while I check...". He comes back and says "The 5" jaws will fit your chuck, but the 8" will not.".

    OK, so I order the 5" jaws, but I'm still a little leery, so I put a note in the "Special Instructions" box on the order form, stating that, despite their assurances to the contrary, I was still worried about the fitment, and asking them to double-check before they ship the order.

    Well, long story short (oops, too late for that ) the jaws arrived today, and do not even come close to fitting my chuck. Although the configuration seems to match, any idiot could take one look and see that the screw holes and the keyway spacings are way off (like more than 1/8" each way).

    So, I call back their Support number and find that they shut down at 5:30 Eastern, and it's now 5:32... Too bad their information is not nearly as accurate as their timeclock! Now I gotta stew in my own juice all weekend about this, and it should never have happened, because I gave them every opportunity to get me the correct information, short of flying up there and checking it myself.

    RATS!
  • ironhat
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2004
    • 2553
    • Chambersburg, PA (South-central).
    • Ridgid 3650 (can I still play here?)

    #2
    I'll get the sympathy violins warmed up for ya - LOL!! Sorry, UC, I couldn't resist. I know the feeling of getting bad info as well as the weekend to stew!
    Blessings,
    Chiz

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    • crokett
      The Full Monte
      • Jan 2003
      • 10627
      • Mebane, NC, USA.
      • Ryobi BT3000

      #3
      Umm... if that is your biggest problem this weekend you are doing well. I don't mind a good rant, as long as there is a real problem, like if you'd said PSI wouldn't take them back or you'd bought a closeout that wasn't eligible for a refund.
      David

      The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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      • cgallery
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2004
        • 4503
        • Milwaukee, WI
        • BT3K

        #4
        At least tell them you expect to send a call tag to have the item picked-up, at their expense. And that you expect a full refund, including shipping/handling charges.

        I keep hearing about high unemployment. Stories like these make me wonder why it isn't much higher. Seriously, there are plenty of people that are gainfully employed that don't see a problem with selling round pegs for square holes.

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        • Uncle Cracker
          The Full Monte
          • May 2007
          • 7091
          • Sunshine State
          • BT3000

          #5
          Originally posted by crokett
          Umm... if that is your biggest problem this weekend you are doing well. I don't mind a good rant, as long as there is a real problem, like if you'd said PSI wouldn't take them back or you'd bought a closeout that wasn't eligible for a refund.
          The problem is that I practically jumped through my own a.. to avoid exactly what happened, and it made absolutely no difference, as a vendor's determination to be inept and waste my time was still the crucial factor. I'll admit, it probably doesn't measure up to a software glitch, or something really earthshaking like that, but it was the best I could do on short notice.

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          • Hoover
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2003
            • 1273
            • USA.

            #6
            If anything can possibly go wrong, it will. Murphy's Law can strike without warning.
            No good deed goes unpunished

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            • docrowan
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2007
              • 893
              • New Albany, MS
              • BT3100

              #7
              UC,

              I agree with you. It's ridiculous that you go through that much effort to ensure that the part will fit, only to find out that it doesn't. If you're like me, you'd be better off emailing them rather than speaking to them on the phone. I can make better sense and get better results if I write than if I speak on the phone. Besides which, it sounds like the people you speak with on phone are particularly dense and would only upset you further with their impenetrability.
              - Chris.

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              • Rand
                Established Member
                • May 2005
                • 492
                • Vancouver, WA, USA.

                #8
                My years of working in high tech in silicon valley made me want to sell bumper stickers that say: "INCOMPETENCE IS RAMPANT"
                Rand
                "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like your thumb."

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                • RAFlorida
                  Veteran Member
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 1179
                  • Green Swamp in Central Florida. Gator property!
                  • Ryobi BT3000

                  #9
                  Uncle C, you have a legit

                  rant. Get on their case as strongly as possible. Again, you've got a right to be POd.

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                  • crokett
                    The Full Monte
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 10627
                    • Mebane, NC, USA.
                    • Ryobi BT3000

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Uncle Cracker
                    The problem is that I practically jumped through my own a.. to avoid exactly what happened, and it made absolutely no difference, as a vendor's determination to be inept and waste my time was still the crucial factor. I'll admit, it probably doesn't measure up to a software glitch, or something really earthshaking like that, but it was the best I could do on short notice.
                    Uumm... I understand what the problem was and I understand that you are frustrated, but in the end all you are out is a little time spent on the phone and a little more to return it. AFIK you didn't have a project with a short due date that depended on this. If you had, then I'd be mad right along with you and I stand corrected. As far as software glitches go, some are important and some are not. If I have a deadline and I can't make something work and I have no workaround, that is important. If I don't have a deadline or I have a workaround, then it is much less important. My own personal frustration level with any problem is in direct relationship with how severe the immediate impact is. Ordering the wrong tool because you want to occaisonally turn different things doesn't seem like a humongous issue to me.
                    David

                    The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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                    • Uncle Cracker
                      The Full Monte
                      • May 2007
                      • 7091
                      • Sunshine State
                      • BT3000

                      #11
                      Originally posted by crokett
                      Ordering the wrong tool because you want to occaisonally turn different things doesn't seem like a humongous issue to me.
                      Whatever...

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                      • crokett
                        The Full Monte
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 10627
                        • Mebane, NC, USA.
                        • Ryobi BT3000

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Uncle Cracker
                        Whatever...
                        Ok, last try. I've posted some rants here and was told, quite correctly that given the circumstances I was making mountains out of pebbles. My wife has also told me that on more than one occasion. She was mostly right, too. I understand you are frustrated after taking steps to avoid the exact issue you have. I would be too, but is it really worth stewing all weekend over - as you implied would happen in your first post? All you are out is a little time. Let it sit till Monday and go turn some pens. Enjoy yourself. At least you have a lathe and time to use it. Bottle up all that frustration and uncork it on the PSI rep Monday, cause we all know that is really healthy and productive.
                        David

                        The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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                        • cabinetman
                          Gone but not Forgotten RIP
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 15216
                          • So. Florida
                          • Delta

                          #13
                          Originally posted by crokett
                          Ok, last try. I've posted some rants here and was told, quite correctly that given the circumstances I was making mountains out of pebbles. My wife has also told me that on more than one occasion. She was mostly right, too. I understand you are frustrated after taking steps to avoid the exact issue you have. I would be too, but is it really worth stewing all weekend over - as you implied would happen in your first post? All you are out is a little time. Let it sit till Monday and go turn some pens. Enjoy yourself. At least you have a lathe and time to use it. Bottle up all that frustration and uncork it on the PSI rep Monday, cause we all know that is really healthy and productive.

                          We all handle frustration differently. Maybe the individuality in our actions may not make sense to some, but, maintains our own state of mind. To some, frustration may be inevitable, and venting helps. Anxiety ain't a pretty thing.
                          .

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                          • jking
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2003
                            • 972
                            • Des Moines, IA.
                            • BT3100

                            #14
                            Are you a member over at IAP? You might ask around over there. I'm pretty sure someone over there has the same chuck and has said the 5" cole jaws do fit. I don't know why theirs would work & yours wouldn't.

                            I had actually been thinking about buying that chuck for my mini lathe b/c it sounded like the 5" jaws worked. I'll have to rethink that after hearing about this. I hope PSI makes it right.

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                            • Uncle Cracker
                              The Full Monte
                              • May 2007
                              • 7091
                              • Sunshine State
                              • BT3000

                              #15
                              Originally posted by jking
                              Are you a member over at IAP? You might ask around over there. I'm pretty sure someone over there has the same chuck and has said the 5" cole jaws do fit. I don't know why theirs would work & yours wouldn't.

                              I had actually been thinking about buying that chuck for my mini lathe b/c it sounded like the 5" jaws worked. I'll have to rethink that after hearing about this. I hope PSI makes it right.
                              No, but I lurk over there from time to time. I think there was something about them fitting the PSI midi chuck, but mine's a mini. The jaw keyway is a different radius from the bigger chucks, and even if it weren't, neither of the 2 screw holes lines up... I'm gonna double check IAP's archives anyway, though...

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