Woodworking as a profession??

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • cabinetman
    Gone but not Forgotten RIP
    • Jun 2006
    • 15216
    • So. Florida
    • Delta

    #1

    Woodworking as a profession??

    Since we have both some full time woodworkers, and many more hobbyists, I thought I would give some thoughts to those here on doing woodwork for a living.

    Once upon a time in high school, my intentions were to go to law school. My father was still practicing dentistry then. I had helped him out in his office at times and did some lab work, and decided that playing around in some saliva ridden mouth wasn't for me.

    So, off to college I go, and then it was the Army. My start is covered is covered in this thread.

    There seems to be some glamor attached to the term "pro", that I just don't agree with. If it was a hobby, using tools and selecting materials could be just plain fun. But doing this work every day is not all that great, and definitely not glamorous.

    There are things that you have to learn to deal with, like turning on the table saw and thinking how easy fingers can get lopped off. Chemical and dust exposure that drastically affects your health. Standing for long periods. Noise. Lifting heavy materials and product. Worrying about dropping sweat in the middle of a wet finish. Faulty materials. Tools that die. Bits that break. Splinters in the eye. Three different colors of stains under the fingernails. Pieces cut too short, drilled in the wrong place, or cut by mistake for something else. Power outages. Having to figure everything out. Getting to an installation and forgetting something. Not enough space. Suppliers that don't deliver, or don't deliver on time. Clients that don't pay. Finishes that don't work. Wood that warps. Phone calls. No calls. Recalls.

    It's not like there's no appreciation for the work. The landlord appreciates the shop rent on time. The suppliers appreciate using their materials and paying for them on time. The clients appreciate your work to be delivered on time. In fact, the client appreciates the work so much, they go over every square millimeter just to make sure nothing is wrong.

    See what I mean...not much glamor is there. So I'm thinking that if I had a choice to do something else, what would it be? I'm thinking a Playboy photographer.

    If you had a choice to do another line of work, what would it be?
    .
  • bruce hylton
    Established Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 211
    • winlock, wa
    • Dewalt today

    #2
    I have made that choice several times, and that is what I like. Making the choice.

    Comment

    • dkerfoot
      Veteran Member
      • Mar 2004
      • 1094
      • Holland, Michigan
      • Craftsman 21829

      #3
      There is a real danger when you make your hobby your profession.

      At one point when I was a serious homebrewer, I was considering going pro. Spending some time with a full time brewer was invaluable. As I was helping him shovel piles of spent wet barley, I had flash backs to working on a dairy farm in my youth. Not a romantic thought.

      Later, I did spend several years as an IT guy, which pretty much ruined computers as a hobby. No regrets there since it paid the bills, allowed me to become self employed and led to what I now do - which I love.

      If I tried to go pro with woodworking I would be both miserable and hungry. I am not nearly good enough at it and I enjoy it as a break from my real work - not as a replacement.

      .
      Doug Kerfoot
      "Sacrificial fence? Aren't they all?"

      Smaller, Smarter Hardware Keyloggers
      "BT310" coupon code = 10% for forum members
      KeyLlama.com

      Comment

      • germdoc
        Veteran Member
        • Nov 2003
        • 3567
        • Omaha, NE
        • BT3000--the gray ghost

        #4
        I am an amateur historian, woodworker, guitar player, computer guru, photographer, etc. I guess that pretty much any of these I chose to do professionally would become tedious after awhile.

        Fortunately, my day job as a doc is always interesting and challenging, if never really exciting. If I won the lottery and could do something different, I would probably be a full-time writer.

        Since that ain't gonna happen, my current dream is to work part-time in a Woodcraft store, make and sell guitars and some wood products (patio furniture, for instance) on the side, play with a group in clubs from time to time, and write little articles from time to time.
        Jeff


        “Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they know nothing”--Voltaire

        Comment

        • Richard in Smithville
          Veteran Member
          • Oct 2006
          • 3014
          • On the TARDIS
          • BT 3100

          #5
          I think I would need five dream jobs-one for each day of the week. That way I wouldn't get bored and have something to look forward to every day.
          From the "deep south" part of Canada

          Richard in Smithville

          http://richardspensandthings.blogspot.com/

          Comment

          • chopnhack
            Veteran Member
            • Oct 2006
            • 3779
            • Florida
            • Ryobi BT3100

            #6
            If I knew the answer to that Mike, I'd already be doing it!
            I think in straight lines, but dream in curves

            Comment

            • Ed62
              The Full Monte
              • Oct 2006
              • 6021
              • NW Indiana
              • BT3K

              #7
              Originally posted by chopnhack
              If I knew the answer to that Mike, I'd already be doing it!
              It's pretty hard to beat that one. But I like what I'm doing now. I do it if I want to do it. I do it when I want to do it. Retirement is God's gift to those who've worked enough.

              Ed
              Do you know about kickback? Ray has a good writeup here... https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained

              For a kickback demonstration video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/910584...demonstration/

              Comment

              • drillman88
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2007
                • 572
                • Southeast
                • Delta Platinum Edition Contractor Saw

                #8
                I've had several people ask me about selling some of my woodwork but my answer is always the same this is my enjoyment I don't want it to become work.
                Anything can become a chore and if it does the joy probably will never come back.
                I am really lucky that I enjoy my full time job.I have worked at the same place 20 years and for the most part still look forward to clocking in.My job still challenges my mind and allows me to use my hands to a certain extent.
                I work by myself for the most part so there is also a great deal of satisfaction that comes from my work.I seem to loose that if I work in a group environment.
                I think therefore I .....awwww where is that remote.

                Comment

                • billwmeyer
                  Veteran Member
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 1868
                  • Weir, Ks, USA.
                  • BT3000

                  #9
                  Great question. I have been in retail management, sales, a grain manager, and currently an accountant. I think I would have liked teaching and/or coaching. I sometimes wish that I had stayed on the farm. It is too late for me, as I am about to turn 59. It would take me too long to train for something else. I do enjoy what I do, but it is repetitive. My next job will be retirement.

                  Bill
                  "I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in."-Kenny Rogers

                  Comment

                  • TB Roye
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2969
                    • Sacramento, CA, USA.
                    • BT3100

                    #10
                    I have a degree in Business Admin with a little computer science thrown in. Spent the first 10 years of my Career in the office the last 28 working with my hands designing metal brackets and other equipment and installing the equipment various emergency vehicles operated by the CHP. Was a supervisor in both the electrical shop and production line but prefered the hands on job instead of sitting in a chair with computer. Was also involved in Dirt track racing on the local level working on the cars. Looking back I could have been a woodworker and enjoyed it. Working in an office I could have made more money and I did enjoy the work but I didn't get the satisfaction I got and still get from working with my hands. Like Ed said I am blessed now with the best job I have ever had. Retirement. After paying the bills and buying the groceries the rest of the month is mine to do what I want, when I want and how I want and if I want. Most important I dont' have to be PC any more. If I had it to do over I would take more shop and drafting classes and maybe would have been a woodshop or metal shop teacher. A History/Government teacher would have been ok also.

                    Tom

                    Comment

                    • bruce hylton
                      Established Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 211
                      • winlock, wa
                      • Dewalt today

                      #11
                      I have had the pleasure to be a carpenter[union], operator, iron worker, teamster, truck driver, developer, mill owner/operator, fabricator, antique store owner/operator, shake rat, timber faller, logger, scrap metal dealer, and restaurant/bar owner. And a few other things I have forgotten or choose to forget. The longest job I ever held for anyone else was 14 months. The time frame was the worst part of the job. I have poured thousands of yards of concrete in a single day with a ten man crew, I have found antique furniture in an old barn, picked up rare tools at yard sales, and found some of the most beautiful cedar shake material ever grown. When I drive past a thinned and still growing patch of timber that I helped create, I feel good inside. I can't think of any one thing that I would not do more of if I should live this life again. Merry Christmas and happy holiday to all. Bruce

                      Comment

                      • drumpriest
                        Veteran Member
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 3338
                        • Pittsburgh, Pa, USA.
                        • Powermatic PM 2000

                        #12
                        I have done a couple of commission pieces along the way, and I'm fine with doing that if it's completely clear as to what the situation entails. I do it on my own schedule, and we discuss the design and materials, and I will always win any arguments over how something should be done. I take their ideas, and so long as they are sane, they are in there, but if it comes to a situation where I wouldn't feel comfy doing it, I just don't.

                        I doubt that I could make a living at it with those rules in place, and I also doubt that I'd really want to be in the shop for 40+ hours a week, honestly. My interests are too varied generally. I have hot and cold periods at my "real" job as it is.

                        As to my history, just retail sales, worked in a nursery (plants), worked growing Christmas trees, been paid to teach classes in martial arts, wood working, and programming. Mostly I've been paid to write graphics code.

                        I'm glad that I'm not the only one with too many hobbies and not enough time.
                        Keith Z. Leonard
                        Go Steelers!

                        Comment

                        • poolhound
                          Veteran Member
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 3196
                          • Phoenix, AZ
                          • BT3100

                          #13
                          I take the occasional commision and know I can earn money through my woodworking. However, having done the math a couple of times I know I would not be able to earn a living and at the same time not take much of the enjoyment away.

                          Right now I find it interesting to work on projects for others and help them realise their vision of whatever it is they want made. The cash is usually added to my tool fund (e.g. the Ark returned my Leigh jig and Bosch colt kit).

                          I do some work for a local guy who restores old musical instruments. I am just finishing three mahogany legs ($180) for a harpsicord and he needs another keyboard similar to the one I did earlier in the year (http://jrdrmarketing.com/photos/keyboard/) which should net a couple of hundred. None of these are going to make me rich but they are fun and interesting projects.

                          When I finally get to the point when I can retire (who knows when that will be) I would like to focus more on interesting creative pieces and take on some higher value commisions. If I could make $1000+ per commision it still wouldn't make me rich but in retirement it would make for a nice vacation fund. No disrespect (quite the opposite) to those of you that make custom cabinets (kitchens etc) for a living but that type of work would drive me mad. I think I would take a nail gun to the head

                          As a semi pro photographer now I know that combining ones passions (photogrpahy/woodwork) with business can be tricky. Keeping the passion and earning the cash can be mutually exclusive unles you maintain a balance.
                          Jon

                          Phoenix AZ - It's a dry heat
                          ________________________________

                          We all make mistakes and I should know I've made enough of them
                          techzibits.com

                          Comment

                          • bruce hylton
                            Established Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 211
                            • winlock, wa
                            • Dewalt today

                            #14
                            That nail gun thing has already been tried.

                            Comment

                            Working...