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  • radhak
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    • Apr 2006
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    • Miramar, FL
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    #1

    HIPAA and PHI

    I was checking Quest Diagnostics website for appointment and find that they will not give me my reports - only to the doctor who ordered it. (And of course I cannot ask for any specific test myself - the Doc has to do it!)

    Originally posted by quest-website
    As you may know, the Data Privacy Rule under HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) allows patients to request access to their medical information. At the same time, however, laws in some states prohibit clinical laboratories from releasing laboratory test results directly to patients. The Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments (CLIA) require that Quest Diagnostics follow state law and, where state law is more strict than HIPAA, Quest Diagnostics is not permitted to release your test results to you. If your healthcare provider ordered your test for you, please contact your healthcare provider to obtain copies of your test results.
    So how come the law prohibits me from seeing my own health information, but allows the insurance agencies, law enforcement, et al to take copies? What's the excuse for this law? How can I be harmed if I get a copy of my own PHI (patient health information)?

    And what if I'm un-insured and want to pay for it with cash - does all that still apply?

    At this point I'm even considering looking up other diagnostic clinics - unless I'm not allowed to do that either !
    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
    - Aristotle
  • germdoc
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    • Nov 2003
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    • Omaha, NE
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    #2
    Quick answer: even though it's information ABOUT you, it's not your information per se--it belongs to who did the test. As I understand it, in most states clinics and hospitals are required to give you copies of your medical records if you request them. In some cases you can request that they not submit such information to insurers (like HIV tests for instance), otherwise by submitting to a test you are authorizing them to share it with insurers and other health facilities, and to legal entities if they get a court order.

    I encourage people to get their medical records, check them for accuracy, etc. In my experience those who try to micromanage access to their medical records usually end up influencing their care for the worse.
    Jeff


    “Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they know nothing”--Voltaire

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    • jackellis
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      • Nov 2003
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      #3
      I'm pretty lucky. The medical group my doctor belongs to has set up a state-of-the-art records management system that includes web access. I no longer have to pester the doctor for test results. Instead, I can see them and see all of the prior results from the comfort of wherever I am, and whenever I want to see it.

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      • radhak
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        • Apr 2006
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        • Miramar, FL
        • Right Tilt 3HP Unisaw

        #4
        Originally posted by germdoc
        Quick answer: even though it's information ABOUT you, it's not your information per se--it belongs to who did the test. As I understand it, in most states clinics and hospitals are required to give you copies of your medical records if you request them. In some cases you can request that they not submit such information to insurers (like HIV tests for instance), otherwise by submitting to a test you are authorizing them to share it with insurers and other health facilities, and to legal entities if they get a court order.

        I encourage people to get their medical records, check them for accuracy, etc. In my experience those who try to micromanage access to their medical records usually end up influencing their care for the worse.
        I guess that's what escapes me : how does it belong to those who did the test, but the person who it affects the most does not even get a copy, unless a doctor says so? Is the doc certifying that I am of sound enough mind to look at what my HDL/LDL is?

        Actually, what's more mystifying is, how did this end up as a federal/state law on the basis of preserving my own privacy and security?

        Btw, Jeff - thanks for the response. Despite the tone of my post conveying my frustration, it's not addressed to you or anybody else acting as the 'messenger' here. I just find the law itself wonky.
        It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
        - Aristotle

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        • JSUPreston
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          • Dec 2005
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          #5
          If you think it's a pain, you ought to work in IT for a group covered by HIPAA laws. I come to work every day knowing that if somehow, I've screwed up something and someone hacks my systems, I get to go to the "pokey."

          Really, what HIPAA was intended to be and what it became are two different things. That's what happens when the government starts regulating stuff that should be common sense. My MIL worked on the original legislation, and even she agrees it has become a cluster....
          "It's a dog eat dog world out there, and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear."- Norm (from Cheers)

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          • LinuxRandal
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            • Feb 2005
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            • Independence, MO, USA.
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            #6
            Don't the privacy laws, have to do with WHO is the customer?

            In the above cases, the Dr. would be as he is ordering the test so he can get the results he needs.

            And no the law doesn't always use/have common sense. Just look at the language.
            She couldn't tell the difference between the escape pod, and the bathroom. We had to go back for her.........................Twice.

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            • germdoc
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              • Nov 2003
              • 3567
              • Omaha, NE
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              #7
              Look at what HIPAA stands for. It originally had nothing to do with privacy. You can blame patients ("consumers") who didn't want their lab tests being blabbed to aunt Jill if she dropped by the clinic. Good idea, but law of unintended consequences in full bloom.

              The reason it belongs to the clinic or hospital--who has the machine and the reagents? You're just providing a little raw material for the machine. Not to be snarky, but by consenting to the test and giving them your blood you are giving them permission to use it for their own purposes, although they will share the results with you if you ask them (see above).

              If you've ever gone to court, you can get a copy of the transcript, but it's not your testimony or decision, you can't keep it from being published or control what happens to the information, it belongs to the court. Same principle.
              Jeff


              “Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they know nothing”--Voltaire

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