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  • vaking
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2005
    • 1428
    • Montclair, NJ, USA.
    • Ryobi BT3100-1

    #31
    People usually buy car expecting it to be around for several years, say 5-7. I am also betting that price of gas will not stay at $4 per gallon. If I were making these calculations - I would start with the assumption that over the life span of the car average cost of gas will be closer to $8 per gallon. (think $4 today and $12 - 7 years from now and - Yes, I know, I am a pessimist).
    Whether it makes sense or not to buy a second car depends on many factors, for example how many miles you drive on average, how old is your current vehicle and what your driving needs are. For instance - if you have a 6 year-old truck - you can continue driving it every day until it dies couple years later. Then you will buy a small car and it will become your only car. Or you can buy another small car now, drive it daily and use the truck for family events and lumber shopping. This way your truck may serve you a lot longer and will cost you little in maintenance. As for insurance cost - relationship between insurance cost and how many vehicles you have is not straightforward. Not long ago my minivan died. I told it to my insurance agent and was very surprised at her advice to keep minivan on insurance papers because it makes my overall bill smaller. Reason - I have 3 drivers in a family (wife and college student son). With the minivan we have 3 cars and we can assign one car to one driver. Without minivan we have less cars than drivers and insurance instantly assumes that everybody drives all cars. If you have one car that has expensive issurance (new or sports) and a young driver in the family - it backfires. I ended up keeping minivan on the insurance form for almost a year after it was already gone.
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    • eccentrictinkerer
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      • Aug 2007
      • 669
      • Minneapolis, MN
      • BT-3000, 21829

      #32
      My '59 Austin-Healey Bugeye Sprite was rated at 50 MPG by several auto magazines in the '60's. I'd guess mine gets close to that. It has to get good mileage... the gas tank only holds six gallons!

      'Course, the side windows are really 'side curtains' (have to be bolted in when used). The heater is problematic and air conditioning only happens at 60 mph.

      And there's room for only two small people and and no trunk lid. Good thing I'm still a little flexible.
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      • RickD1
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        • Oct 2006
        • 57
        • Southern California
        • BT3100

        #33
        I hate hearing this 20 year payback on a hybrid quote. I bought a 2003 honda insight hybrid back when gas was less than $2.00 per gallon. It consistantly gets 50 + MPG. I believe my lifetime is 53.9 MPG. I paid $17,000 and some change for it and that year I recieved a $1700 dollar tax credit. California allows me to drive in the metered car pool lanes. They are sliding scales depending on traffic. When I jump on the sign that tells you what the fee is is usually about $1.25. I have seen it as high as $4.00 to travel 8 miles. This fee is for those that choose to use Fastpass or whatever it is called and they can drive in the car pool lanes by with no passengers, but will pay the amount shown on the entry ramp. I was driving a 1983 toyota 4X4 that was getting 17 miles to the gallon. I have a 42 mile one way commute. Gas prices below a $2 per gallon were starting to hurt the wallet with that truck. The car runs on a three cylinder gas engine and uses the batteries to power a 13 HP motor that is pancaked between the gas motor and the transmission. I have had it up to 115 MPH. It actually hunkers down and rides rather nicely at this speed. My MPG while doing 115 dropped to around 38-40 MPG. The 50+ MPG I get is in town and highway, usually crusing at about 70mph. Oh yes, it has a 10 gallon gas tank that I travel between 500 and 600 miles on before filling up. The spread is due to traffic, my driving speed, road conditions and the weather.

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        • DLyon
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          • Feb 2006
          • 78

          #34
          Originally posted by eccentrictinkerer
          My '59 Austin-Healey Bugeye Sprite was rated at 50 MPG by several auto magazines in the '60's. I'd guess mine gets close to that. It has to get good mileage... the gas tank only holds six gallons!

          'Course, the side windows are really 'side curtains' (have to be bolted in when used). The heater is problematic and air conditioning only happens at 60 mph.

          And there's room for only two small people and and no trunk lid. Good thing I'm still a little flexible.
          Now that's a car that I would drive even if it got horrible mileage. Very nice ride!

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          • LinuxRandal
            Veteran Member
            • Feb 2005
            • 4890
            • Independence, MO, USA.
            • bt3100

            #35
            Originally posted by RickD1
            I hate hearing this 20 year payback on a hybrid quote.
            I have had it up to 115 MPH. It actually hunkers down and rides rather nicely at this speed. My MPG while doing 115 dropped to around 38-40 MPG. The 50+ MPG I get is in town and highway, usually crusing at about 70mph. Oh yes, it has a 10 gallon gas tank that I travel between 500 and 600 miles on before filling up. The spread is due to traffic, my driving speed, road conditions and the weather.
            First, I want the video of it going 115 mph, LOL.

            Second, have you been told how long to expect the battery life? Can you replace just the bad section (cells) of the battery or have to replace the whole thing? Have you checked into the cost of the battery pack?
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            • dkerfoot
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              • Mar 2004
              • 1094
              • Holland, Michigan
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              #36
              The 1978 Datsun B210 got 50MPG.
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              • jrnewhall
                Forum Newbie
                • Oct 2005
                • 57
                • Rochester, NY.
                • Ryobi 3100

                #37
                Originally posted by BadeMillsap
                I have a Tahoe and an F150 Supercrew ... but with gasoline sooo high now we bought a Mini ... 30+ mpg ... and way fun to drive.
                I've had my Cooper for a year now and absolutely love it. 45 on trips and 37+ for daily commute of 16 miles with about 1/2 highway (and it's an automatic). With an extremely high resale value, the total cost of ownership is rated very low. Best of all it is "way fun to drive."

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                • Russianwolf
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                  • Jan 2004
                  • 3152
                  • Martinsburg, WV, USA.
                  • One of them there Toy saws

                  #38
                  Originally posted by DLyon
                  You forgot the price of the second car. Even if you save $2,000 a year in fuel, it's going to take a minimum of 5 years (assuming a $10,000 vehicle is purchased) just to break even. That doesn't include interest on the loan, full coverage insurance (yes, your insurance will go up at least somewhat) maintenance, etc, etc.
                  ummm... didn't I say that? (our second car, two drivers in the house, increased our premium a massive $150 per year. minimal coverage as I only paid $600 for it).

                  Linux: I think the Smarts are in the $11k range for the Base (Pure). I've seen a couple tooling around DC, but I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be in one on the highway doing 70+. I love the concept though and might concider one for a around town commuter when I'm back in the market.

                  I've been looking at bikes too, but it seems like they are going at premium prices now with gas up. Used bikes are going for nearly new prices or more in some cases. Try finding a 250-500cc road bike for cheap right now.
                  Last edited by Russianwolf; 06-25-2008, 08:30 AM.
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                  • jking
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2003
                    • 972
                    • Des Moines, IA.
                    • BT3100

                    #39
                    Originally posted by RickD1
                    I hate hearing this 20 year payback on a hybrid quote.
                    It's based on buying a new hybrid, which usually has been running at about a $5000 premium compared to a comparable all-gas drivetrain. I'm assuming you bought yours used, b/c around here when new hybrids even back in '03 were going to close to $25,000.

                    The point is, it's very tough to make an argument for a hybrid stick based on economics alone. You have to factor in other considerations. One of the other issues with hybrids that very few people ever talk about is related to battery life. If hybrids become commonplace, are we wetting ourselves up for an even worse problem when it comes time to dispose of the batteries? Maybe not, but, it something that warrants more attention.

                    I'm not against hybrids or more fuel efficient cars. It's just tough for the average driver to justify buying an additional car for fuel economy. If you find an older car for cheap that gets great mileage, it obviously becomes easier to justify.

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                    • jking
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2003
                      • 972
                      • Des Moines, IA.
                      • BT3100

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Russianwolf
                      Linux: I think the Smarts are in the $11k range for the Base (Pure). I've seen a couple tooling around DC, but I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be in one on the highway doing 70+. I love the concept though and might concider one for a around town commuter when I'm back in the market.
                      I looked at the info online for the Smarts & was surprised at their mileage. For the size, I would have expected 40~50 mpg. IIRC, city is rated at ~35 & hwy at ~40. They are certainly more affordable than most new cars.

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                      • Russianwolf
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                        • Jan 2004
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                        • Martinsburg, WV, USA.
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by jking
                        I looked at the info online for the Smarts & was surprised at their mileage. For the size, I would have expected 40~50 mpg. IIRC, city is rated at ~35 & hwy at ~40. They are certainly more affordable than most new cars.
                        with such a small engine, I'm betting it has to work harder. So I'm not really surprised. I bet a 1.3l would give it a bump, but I doubt it'll happen given the space constraints.

                        They have a deisel variant in Europe that's getting over 70mpg, and I've heard about a hybrid also (and a deisel hybrid at that, so maybe 85mpg+).
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