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A very interesting website with prices for gas, electricity and natural gas in various countries in Europe.
http://www.energy.eu/#prices
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These are also the same countries with inexpensive and extensive train systems the likes of which could help in the US.
These are also the same countries that have a history of their currency being more valued than the US (GB) or that are currently eclipsing the value of the USD (The Euro).
I'm so tired of hearing how Socialism is Bad. Capitalism is just as bad in it's pure form. So just stop putting political spins on the posts or I'll start reporting every single one until the Mod's delete them all.
By the way, Tony Blair, the most outspoken ally of the Bush Administration is a member of a Socialist Party.Mike
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I said A socialist party, not THE socialist party.
The Labour Party grew out of the trade union movement and socialist political parties of the 19th century, and continues to describe itself as a party of democratic socialism.Mike
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I lived in Germany from '95-98. It was my observation that countries set the price for their most prized commodities cheaply, and this told you a lot about their priorities.
In Germany the beer and bread (unbelievably delicious, fresh-baked bakery bread) and wurst were very cheap. In France the pastries and pinot noir were really cheap. In Italy the pasta and chianti were cheap. In the U.S. (until recently) gas and McDonald's hamburgers were cheap.
Not sure where the current situation finds us, but a lot of smart people have said that being able to get around our vast country relatively cheaply was what kept Americans contented and uninterested in social unrest. That and McD's $1 menu.Last edited by germdoc; 04-21-2008, 10:16 AM.Jeff
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Back on topic....
I'll say that I'm glad to see gas prices going up both here and in Europe. This is what's needed to incentivize the alternative fuel research.
I'm sad that it will have such negative effects on so many people, myself included, in that the cost of gas effects the costs of everything else. But the bright side is that if we can find the silver bullet and start producing vehicles that can go 500mpg on some other fuel source that's hopefully less polluting, then prices will start to come back down as the population switches over. Our biggest problem with Oil, isn't that it's a scarce resource, or that it's controled by OPEC, it's that it currently has no real competition.
Competition is what makes prices go down.Mike
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Whoow. I,m sorry I posted the link. The thread was not intended to start a political discussion. It was intended to inform and to suggest we don't have it so bad here after all, either in Canada or the USA.
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!
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Two Comments:
1. It is too bad that we don't have this information available on USA states and cities.
2. While we should conserve whenever we can, population control would have the greatest long term effect on energy use and green house gasses. Unfortunately, population control is not getting much press these days.Comment
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Tim,
It is a good thread/subject, IMO. It is just that some people cannot comprehend the idea of a subject without relating it to some kind of politics or religion. Then there are those that will argue that everything is related in some way just to see how close they can get before moderators will lock or delete the thread.
A few months ago, there was a thread on "evolution," a subject that is VERY close to religion or "anti-religion". I made a warning on it immediately in BIG letters, and the following two pages of discussions were very civil and most everyone stuck to a "scientific and theoretical" discussion for the most part.
We need the freedom to read and discuss topics such as yours without someone pushing everyone's buttons with words of a political or religious slap. I hate to see topics banished because of one or two who can't control their thoughts. Having said that, most all of us pop off out of character after a week of too much pressure from outside sources. We all need relief once in a while, but it should not come in written form on topics that keeps us from talking about the weather, nature, economics or gas prices!
If there can be a civil and non-religious discussion of the theories of grand scale evolution, surely we can talk about gas prices without politicizing it.
Back to your original topic:
We have had $3.00 a gallon gas here since we have been here (Japan) in the late '80s. We just learned to adjust. I do far more traveling by car than I do by train, and the expense is notable. It is sometimes cheaper for a vacation to find a cheap flight out of Japan than taking one in country because of the travel, hotel expense and food here.Last edited by leehljp; 04-21-2008, 06:22 PM.Hank Lee
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