I Musta Failed Locksmithing

[cabinetman]

I installed a new front door and locksets. Got a matching deadbolt and knob, keyed alike. The handset has the turn button on the inside. The problem is, that even with the button turned to lock, the door can still be opened from the inside. Maybe it's a safety feature.

But, it's also a PITA, because both LOML and I have locked ourselves out. It fakes us out that the door is unlocked. I've taken the lock apart to see if there is a doo dad that needs to be internally turned to change it to a locked condition, but there isn't one. The info that came packed with the set had no details on having it one way or another.

Is this the way it's supposed to be or can it be changed to be locked on the inside?
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[Tom Slick]

It is a new safety feature and they are all like that. visitors get locked out of my house all of the time. the only thing I can guess is people were getting confused in an emergency and locking themselves in.
I've just stoped locking the handle and only use the deadbolt when I have visitors.

[eccentrictinkerer]

I've found that while assembling the inside and outside handles to the guts, it's easy to get the little flat key installed 180 degrees out-of-phase.

DAMHIKT

[eezlock]

I musta failed locksmithing....

Cabinetman, you didn't fail locksmithing ! All of the newer locks are made this way...according to the new life/safety codes that are in place today. All entry type locksets must provide free easy exit of the property in case of fire. All entry locksets are required to by law to be of the single motion egress
type, that translates into a single motion ( method of opening ) to exit the bldg. We run into this type stuff everyday...believe me...eezlock

[jziegler]

I've locked myself out twice that way (Well, once or twice more too, but LOML was inside to let me in those times). You get used to checking the door on the outside when you go out. I did find a couple security weakpoints in the house in the process though. Two less ways for someone else to break in the house now. I try to find the positive in things when I can.

Jim

[Salty]

Cabinetman, I feel your pain. Well, at least the part about the locksets.
I have had those kinds of locksets in the past and know of many others who have done the same. I recently wanted to purchase a replacement Weiser lockset to match the one I bought last year but it was no longer available at lockknob or anywhere else. Well, I did find it at the local hardware for nearly twice the price and could not do it.
Anyway, the one I wanted had the 'turn and push the knob to lock and unlock' feature. This makes it nearly impossible to lock yourself out. The new one is similar but has a turn button to lock and unlock the knob instead of turning the whole knob. Still, you have to unlock the knob before you can open the door. The drawback to this is that I am contantly forgetting to lock it when I want it locked and have to go back inside to lock the knob.
I am wondering if the popular brands have gone the 'emergency-egress' route and changed all of their locks. I haven't bought a cheap kwikset or Schlage lately. BTW, who owns Schlage now? Seems silly really when you consider how many poeple, myself included, who use double deadbolts that have to have a key used on the inside to get out.
But it does help keep the burglers out!

[Uncle Cracker]

It is a PITA... Just installed a Schlage set for a friend, and she's locked herself out twice already. So she has stashed a key outside her house. Kinda defeats the purpose of having locks at all, doesn't it? Maybe somebody needs to come up with locks that will open from inside when locked, but will then not close and lock you out.

[crokett]

It took us a while to get used to that feature on the new lock I installed this summer. We also just started using the deadbolt.

[Bruce Cohen]

I lock myself out all of the time, it's getting to be like an Ernie Kovacs' routine. Most of the time someone is home, sometimes they're not.

I solved the problem of standing out in the rain by keeping a key in a neighbor's garage, he never locks the side door.

Bruce

[Tom Slick]

BTW, who owns Schlage now?

Schlage is part of the Ingersoll Rand now

[os1kne]

I've noticed that that "feature" is common with Schlage locks, but I'm pretty sure that Kwickset locks do not function that way.

[cabinetman]

I've noticed that that "feature" is common with Schlage locks, but I'm pretty sure that Kwickset locks do not function that way.

You're right about that. It is a Schlage. I also redid the back door, and used a Kwikset with the turn buton. When it's locked it's locked on the inside. Both were purchased at HD. Maybe they haven't updated the Kwikset line yet.
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[jziegler]

I'd watch out with the Kwikset locks. I had an apartment with them a few years ago, and they didn't work very well or last very long. I was only there for 2 years, and at least one was probably replaced twice while I was there. Several others barely would unlock with the key. I have Schlage on my house now, and they work much better.

Jim

[Mr__Bill]

It's sort of a 'Darwin' test but not so harsh.