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  • cabinetman
    Gone but not Forgotten RIP
    • Jun 2006
    • 15216
    • So. Florida
    • Delta

    #1

    Talk About Cheap!!!

    Some years back I did some medical cabinets for a doctors office in a two story complex of medical offices. When I was installing I noticed another installation going on in an office a few doors down the hall. On one of my many trips out to the truck I noticed an installer carrying what looked to be a 6' long upper cabinet, 30" high and 12" deep on one shoulder. I had to follow him to that office and talk to him about the cabinet. He handled it like it weighed nothing.

    He was no weightlifter by a long shot, in fact he was short and skinny. We talked about the type of construction used and it was incredible. In Florida, there is no code or standard that has to be followed for either commercial or residential cabinet construction. The only requirement is that the installer has to have a "CC", which is a Certificate of Competency. The shop can build anything they want and needs no certification just to build.

    Anyway, these cabinets demonstrated what I would call Krap to the highest degree. The boxes were made from 30" high painted white masonite 1/8" thick. From each end of the sheet, a vertical cut was made on a TS, halfway through the thickness (1/16" deep), and then the 12" ends were folded, yes that's right, folded at two points for the length of the cabinet. To make a long story short, a vertical pine piece 3/4" x 1" was stapled to each back corner. A 3/4" x 2" premade FF was stapled to the front edges, and in the back a 3/4" x 2" as a hangrail. The vertical pieces carried the shelf clip holes. For the top and bottom, 3/4" x 3/4" pine was stapled along the edges to hold the 1/8" masonite. Undersides and finished ends and faces had mica laminate ( I'm the guy who calls Formica, mica, referring to the material, not the brand).

    This was basically the whole cabinet. They purchased the masonite already painted white, used some pine painted white, no jointing, and that's it. Hardly any cost of materials. They did use 5/8" melamine for the shelves and doors, with euro hinges. I'm sure they had the lowest price. Makes me wonder what someone will think up next.
  • Uncle Cracker
    The Full Monte
    • May 2007
    • 7091
    • Sunshine State
    • BT3000

    #2
    For every person who will build that kind of crap, there is another person who will buy it. I have resigned myself to the idea that it will probably always be so.

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    • Wood_workur
      Veteran Member
      • Aug 2005
      • 1914
      • Ohio
      • Ryobi bt3100-1

      #3
      and that is why k-mart can sell furniture....
      Alex

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      • cabinetman
        Gone but not Forgotten RIP
        • Jun 2006
        • 15216
        • So. Florida
        • Delta

        #4
        Originally posted by Uncle Cracker
        For every person who will build that kind of crap, there is another person who will buy it. I have resigned myself to the idea that it will probably always be so.

        An ex employee of mine (we're still friends) started his own business, and he persists in trying to beat HD and Lowes on pricing. I doubt that he would build that sort of cabinet, even for a budget job. But competing for the lowest price doesn't mean there will be more money in his pocket. He's just after the wrong market.

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        • Uncle Cracker
          The Full Monte
          • May 2007
          • 7091
          • Sunshine State
          • BT3000

          #5
          Originally posted by cabinetman
          An ex employee of mine (we're still friends) started his own business, and he persists in trying to beat HD and Lowes on pricing. I doubt that he would build that sort of cabinet, even for a budget job. But competing for the lowest price doesn't mean there will be more money in his pocket. He's just after the wrong market.
          "The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of cheap price is forgotten..." I just wish it had been me who first said that...

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          • cabinetman
            Gone but not Forgotten RIP
            • Jun 2006
            • 15216
            • So. Florida
            • Delta

            #6
            Originally posted by Uncle Cracker
            "The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of cheap price is forgotten..." I just wish it had been me who first said that...

            Who said that...Heidi Fleiss?
            .

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            • radhak
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2006
              • 3061
              • Miramar, FL
              • Right Tilt 3HP Unisaw

              #7
              Originally posted by cabinetman
              ...
              I'm sure they had the lowest price. Makes me wonder what someone will think up next.
              Somehow i think their workshop must be a fast van - install, get the money and run!

              Incredible that anybody would look at that stuff and not wonder what happens when they place a handful of books on it (or some china )!

              But I remember just couple of years back LOML was darn sure Kmart's furniture was just as good as any other - when i'd point out the shelf would sag within 6 months of use, she'd go - "Oh, nothing like that. I'm sure they would not charge that much money, and people would not pay, for a bad product." !!?! Mystifying logic! Now she's not as dismissive, but dunno if that's because she's convinced, or she does not want to fire me up to a rant .

              So I'm sure there's a market for even that hackjob. I only hope that guy does not want to become a doctor or dentist next !
              It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
              - Aristotle

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              • cabinetman
                Gone but not Forgotten RIP
                • Jun 2006
                • 15216
                • So. Florida
                • Delta

                #8
                Originally posted by radhak
                So I'm sure there's a market for even that hackjob. I only hope that guy does not want to become a doctor or dentist next !

                Brace yourself. Shudder to think that there may be health care professionals that have very little pride. I'm imagining a dentist who had a really bad day and can't wait to take out his/her frustrations on something/someone.

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                • Uncle Cracker
                  The Full Monte
                  • May 2007
                  • 7091
                  • Sunshine State
                  • BT3000

                  #9
                  Just remember that every graduating class of physicians has one guy who was the bottom of the jar... (Frank Burns, M.D. comes to mind).

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                  • cgallery
                    Veteran Member
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 4503
                    • Milwaukee, WI
                    • BT3K

                    #10
                    Perhaps the office it was going into was a front for the CIA. You know the kind, where everything looks normal but when you open the cabinets and drawers, they're empty?

                    Or doesn't that happen to you guys???

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