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  • cabinetman
    Gone but not Forgotten RIP
    • Jun 2006
    • 15216
    • So. Florida
    • Delta

    #1

    Dilemma - Where To Put What?

    I'm sure I'm not the only one who has a storage problem. Being a pack rat and having a lifetime membership in Pack Rats Anonymous, running out of space happened a long time ago. Shop items like tools, supplies, and materials become a logistics problem which is supposed to be alleviated by grouping items together and stacking or shelving items as to importance. But there are also household items creating havoc in my life.

    For example, I save magazines of various topics, from cars to woodworking, from Consumer Reports to PC World. Being a cabinetmaker, I have created shelving and cabinets anywhere and everywhere there was space. That shelf area in bedroom closets at the top (the whatever shelf) became uniquely housed with shelves that utilized all the space all the way to the ceiling.

    I save the magazines because there is always some article, test, or review that I may want to refer to later. So, I have stacks and stacks of many different ones. They do much better laying flat than standing up. One of my most depressing days (but made LOML happy) was when I sold my Playboy collection that dated back to 1963, with some black market copies much earlier. I haven't yet bought those magazine boxes from the publishers that cost from $10 - $20 each with their title on it. That would be nice and have an organized look, but then there is more space needed.

    Books are another item. I judge book storage like in lineal feet. I add up the running feet a book case might have. For example I have one that is 6' wide and 7' tall with 6 shelves including the bottom. That's 36' of 12" shelving. No where near enough. My books include college texts, automotive, woodworking, finishing, forestry and tree books, catalogs, and reference books. It's like a library. My wife and I each have a home/office. In mine you see very little wall. Besides all I've previously mentioned, there's the computer hardware, all the documentation, DVD's, CD's, drafting table, drafting supplies, firearms, model car collection, miniature cannon collection, military stuff, photography equipment, and a 8' long trophy shelf stacked tight, and two tall file cabinets that are full.

    So, what to do. I know as soon as I start pitching things, I'll regret it. I'm thinking a bigger house. Wife says that just means more "stuff". If this is a dilemma for others, what's your method? Are there storage and organizing ideas that we can share?
  • softop41
    Established Member
    • Jul 2004
    • 470
    • Plainfield, IL, USA.
    • BT3100-1

    #2
    Cabman,
    It takes a bit of time, but I scan interesting stuff form mags and save it as a file, with .jpg images if necessary and move on. Yes, There have been times that I 'know' there was something is a mag that I would like to find right now but can't or don't due to the daunting number of old, musty magazines sitting around to dig thru. If I haven't sacnned soemething for future use and can't find it on the internet, then I'll do something else.
    Maybe I'm over-reacting because my wife, a wannabe quilter and dollmaker has sooooo much crap she saves for things she'll never do. For instance, 75 boxes when we moved last year of fabric that "I know I'll use for something someday" that are now taking up space in our basement growing older and more musty!!!!!!!!!!
    Oh well, we all have our crosses to bear.
    I find that the scanning and storing idea works for me, YMMV.
    Jerry
    Last edited by softop41; 06-23-2007, 06:26 AM.
    Jerry
    Making High Quality Sawdust in Northeast Plainfield

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    • Uncle Cracker
      The Full Monte
      • May 2007
      • 7091
      • Sunshine State
      • BT3000

      #3
      I feel your pain. I'm Uncle Cracker, and i'm a store-aholic. Or rather, I was. I never threw out any type of reading material, because i just knew that, before the trash truck went out of sight, I would need something. A friend cured me when he asked me how many times in the last year I had gone into my "archives" and pulled out something that I would not been able to function without. I thought about it, and couldn't think of even once, even for the last 5 years or so. In fact, I realized that much of what I had was outdated and largely useless.

      Thus began the purge. Now I scan whatever I see hardcopy that I feel is useful, and save with a filename that's logical, and specific to what is in the article. That way, it's easier to catalog. I have also found that things are rarely impossible to find on the Internet with some searching. All hail, Lord Google!

      I still collect antique books on a limited number of subjects, but now I have new-found space within the climate-controlled spaces in my house, thanks to the exodus of the bulk of my magazine hoard. As a fellow Floridian, I am also forced to deal with the ruinous nature of humidity on books, so getting past my packrat obsession was a big help.

      One day at a time, my brother...

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      • SARGE..g-47

        #4
        Morning Cabinetman...

        Just took a large garbage sack full of old mags and donated them to a local WW club. I bite the bullet and don't accumulate even though I would without discipline. I suppose I could rent one of those mini-warehouses and store stuff there. But I see it as someone would have to chunk it latter after I check out of "Hotel Happiness". Might as well chunk it now!

        My wife is the abuser in the family.. I just made her clear junk she had stored that will never see the light of day in my 1/2 basement behind my double garage wood shop. When she did, I discovered I had another 900 sq. feet of potentail shop that was hidden amongst the wood rack.. 2nd TS and sharpening station I already had there. Definite advantages to being stern about getting rid of junk for the good of the family..

        Regards...

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        • LinuxRandal
          Veteran Member
          • Feb 2005
          • 4890
          • Independence, MO, USA.
          • bt3100

          #5
          I know the feeling that you'll think you need it. (family trait)
          I also agree strongly about scanning and saving electronically.

          Do you have any family/friends who have lived through a natural disaster? (fire/flood/tornado)
          I have some friends who did, (neighbors) and I was there during their whole process (I even had tools in his shop).
          I can tell you, once you clean out the clutter, you have an initial (Uhoh), then a feeling that you need to refill that space (which you have to continually fight), then finally, peace.

          Another (relatives family), had a self induced fire from their storage. They had a closet and they needed something from it, tossed things around looking for it, and left the light on. Well something landed on the bulb and caught fire.
          She couldn't tell the difference between the escape pod, and the bathroom. We had to go back for her.........................Twice.

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          • gsmittle
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2004
            • 2793
            • St. Louis, MO, USA.
            • BT 3100

            #6
            Oh, man, this is hittin' me where I live. I'm trained as a historian, so I'm genetically incapable of throwing out anything. Right now I have stacks and stacks and stacks on top of stacks of books, scripts, manuscripts, mags, etc. all over the place. In the basement "office," there's barely enough room to get to the desk, never mind the drafting table.

            I've already moved the woodworking books & mags out to the shop, where they're in even more piles. Still not enough room!

            No time during the school year to make bookshelves, and now that it's summer, no funds. What's a pack rat to do?

            Scanning stuff sounds like a good idea. I've toyed with the idea of some sort of vertical rotating bookshelf-type deal, like the flooring rolls at the BORG. Now that I think about it, there's enough room in the stairwell to make a two-story bookshelf.....

            I got to visit the closed stacks at the St. Louis Public Library once--five stories of continuous bookshelves--the shelves went through the floor into the next level without a break. From the fifth floor you could look alllllll the way down to the bottom. Cool!

            g.
            Smit

            "Be excellent to each other."
            Bill & Ted

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            • Mr__Bill
              Veteran Member
              • May 2007
              • 2096
              • Tacoma, WA
              • BT3000

              #7
              Check with your local library and see if they take magazine collections. If so, they they store them and you and others can reference them.

              Other good ways of getting rid of things are.... divorce, fire, moving and the ever popular put it in a storage unit then stop paying the rent. I even know of a man who filled in a large depression in his yard with old magazines and newspapers then top soil over it. Surprisingly it never sunk back down in the 10 years I knew him. Now arn't we helpful?

              Bill

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              • mpc
                Veteran Member
                • Feb 2005
                • 1013
                • Cypress, CA, USA.
                • BT3000 orig 13amp model

                #8
                I too tend to keep everything. Being single helps - no LOML complaining that my junk collection is crowding her junk collection. Just complaints from mom when the folks visit... I do lots of car work though - which means lots of large tools in addition to the slowly growing woodworking hobby. And one room of the house is the electronics/PC lab.

                What I've been (trying to) do regularly is scan the table of contents pages of magazines, or lately just using my new high-res digital camera to take pics of the TOC since it's so much faster and good enough to read. I file that... and maybe articles that I think I may need/want in the future. But having the TOC electronically helps - when I think "I know I had that somewhere..." I can peruse the TOC files... then see if I still have the magazine or not. If not, a trip to the local library generally works.

                mpc

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                • lcm1947
                  Veteran Member
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 1490
                  • Austin, Texas
                  • BT 3100-1

                  #9
                  I too did the same for many years, well most of my life I guess, but about 7 years ago after our last garage sell I decided no more. I now operate like this. If I buy something or the wife for that matter and there isn't a spot for it then we have to decide what goes. We normally decide pn something we hadn't used in a million years and out it goes. Normally to Good Will or my daughter. She'll take anything course they are just starting out so have nothing to begin with so that works pretty good. But no I hate a messy house or shop for that matter that I can't find anything. Oh there's been times that we screwed up and needed the item again later but hey a plan is a plan and we stick to it. Now don't get me wrong we have plenty of crap but it's all in it's place. Oh wait a minute, we aren't talking about the wife's closet's are we?
                  May you die and go to heaven before the Devil knows you're dead. My Best, Mac

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                  • cabinetman
                    Gone but not Forgotten RIP
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 15216
                    • So. Florida
                    • Delta

                    #10
                    The basic idea of gettng rid of stuff is more than likely the way to go if I can get over the impact of actually not having it any more.

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                    Uncle Cracker:
                    SARGE:
                    lcm1947:
                    Suggestions to throw out may be the best advice.

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                    softop41:
                    Linux Randal:
                    gsmittle:
                    Scan and save is another possibility.

                    ---------------------------------------------------------

                    Mr_Bill: Thought about the old burial trick, but LOML is against it.

                    ----------------------------------------------------------

                    Originally posted by mpc
                    What I've been (trying to) do regularly is scan the table of contents pages of magazines, or lately just using my new high-res digital camera to take pics of the TOC since it's so much faster and good enough to read. I file that... and maybe articles that I think I may need/want in the future. But having the TOC electronically helps - when I think "I know I had that somewhere..." I can peruse the TOC files... then see if I still have the magazine or not. If not, a trip to the local library generally works.
                    mpc

                    The TOC to file is a good idea. I can see it would make finding stuff easier, and could be updated for availability if discarded from the file.

                    Got some really good ideas so far. See how great minds work.
                    .

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                    • gerti
                      Veteran Member
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 2233
                      • Minnetonka, MN, USA.
                      • BT3100 "Frankensaw"

                      #11
                      Moving from one continent to another on a limited budget helps, at least for a while...

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                      • billwmeyer
                        Veteran Member
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 1868
                        • Weir, Ks, USA.
                        • BT3000

                        #12
                        Junk purge

                        We have been going through the same thing. My wife and I are both packrats to a point. Magazines are a big problem. I suggested to my wife that she go through her cooking magazines and cut out the one or two recipies in the mag she wanted, three hole punch them, and then file them by category in a binder. It has gotten rid of a lot of those, and she was surprized to find that a lot of the magazines didn't really have anything she really wanted.

                        Another thing you might want to consider, if you haven't used it or needed it for 5 years, you really don't need it. We used that as a yardstick, and got rid of a lot of stuff.

                        Although I hate to have a yard sale, it does bring in money for tools!

                        Good luck!
                        Bill
                        "I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in."-Kenny Rogers

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                        • Anna
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 728
                          • CA, USA.
                          • BT3100

                          #13
                          I've successfully scanned most of my woodworking magazines by now, including back issues of ShopNotes. The biggest problem I encountered was what to do with all the single page files. It made it a little difficult to organize when each magazine is composed of 40+ individual files.

                          Then I found an app called PDFLab, a free app that allows me to combine several PDF files into one big file (it's for the Mac, but I think there are Windows versions out there). I save my image files as PDF, then process all the pages of an article with PDFLab to get just one file instead of the individual 8 pages or so.

                          I've opted to have folders named after the Issue Number, and each of those folders have several files of complete articles (file name is the article's title). It's pretty easy to find articles when I need them. If I get really compulsive about it, I can even add metadata in each file to make searching easier. But maybe not in this lifetime.

                          I'm currently working on getting all my Wood magazine issues scanned in. I found that 200 dpi works really well for reading on the screen and printing out (and the file size isn't too unmanageable). I haven't futzed around with lower resolutions. One thing that will really help is if I can get the optical character recognition software to work. That will make the scanned file's size even smaller (it will no longer be an "image" file but a "rich text" file instead). Maybe this next winter.

                          I don't think I can do the same thing to my books, though. Books are a different animal altogether. Somehow, magazines are fungible. Books are special. And that probably explains why our house and garage are overflowing with books.

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                          • TheRic
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 1912
                            • West Central Ohio
                            • bt3100

                            #14
                            Cabinetman you have come to the right place. Pack rats call me up for advice. I see that you have already gone vertical, you will be surprised at how many people don't realize how much space they are wasting by not going higher.

                            I would suggest to go thru your magazine, pull out all the good articles. Many magazines have more ads than useful articles. The ads after say about 2 years are useless, either they are still advertising, or they went out of business. Put them in a 3-ring binder with indexes & labels to help you find things faster later. You might be able to save as much as 50% of the space.

                            I would suggest making the bookcases deeper, you will not really miss 12 inches of space per wall. You are already stacking them flat, good, you can now stack them twice as deep. Make sure you organize them so you know what is behind with out having to pull the front ones out.

                            Look around the house very carefully, you will be surprised on how much wasted space you have. It's fun, like a treasure hunt. Places to look for wasted space, above / below steps (you will be amazed on how much wasted space there is), in the steps (there was a thread in the last week or so talking about storage in steps), the space above a shower / tub (you don't need 8' + ceiling there build cabinets there, store extra bathroom items up there), above washer/dryer (a lot or wasted space above your washer & dryer), below washer / dryer (raise your washer and dryer for easier access, store washer/dryer extra items there), etc.

                            Look around your house you might surprise yourself with what wasted space you might be able to find.
                            Ric

                            Plan for the worst, hope for the best!

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                            • LinuxRandal
                              Veteran Member
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 4890
                              • Independence, MO, USA.
                              • bt3100

                              #15
                              Originally posted by TheRic
                              Cabinetman you have come to the right place. Pack rats call me up for advice. I see that you have already gone vertical, you will be surprised at how many people don't realize how much space they are wasting by not going higher.

                              Look around your house you might surprise yourself with what wasted space you might be able to find.

                              I was looking for the /sarcasm comment, waiting for you to say, "if you have an older home, with no insulation in the walls, all this paper can be insulation".
                              She couldn't tell the difference between the escape pod, and the bathroom. We had to go back for her.........................Twice.

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