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  • Alex Franke
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    • Feb 2007
    • 2641
    • Chapel Hill, NC
    • Ryobi BT3100

    #16
    Oh... I can't wait till my kids grow up enough to have intelligent conversations!!! Lately I've been dodging spoonfulls of oatmeal at the breakfast table!
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    • jussi
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      • Jan 2007
      • 2162

      #17
      I get B/A as the answer
      I reject your reality and substitute my own.

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      • leehljp
        The Full Monte
        • Dec 2002
        • 8773
        • Tunica, MS
        • BT3000/3100

        #18
        Last year, my 8 year old grandson in Arkansas asked me what the square root of 35 was. I said, don't you mean the square root of 36?
        No, Pappaw, I mean 35.
        I replied that it was less than 6.
        He replied with the number to 4 or 5 decimal places.

        The fact that a 8 year old could understand the concept flabergasts me.
        Hank Lee

        Experience is what you get when you don't get what you wanted!

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        • onedash
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          • Mar 2005
          • 1013
          • Maryland
          • Craftsman 22124

          #19
          For the last two weeks I have been helping someone in the office with his algebra. I just started writing answers and he said he needed to show the work....Well that stumped me on some of them. I used to have trouble in school showing my work. I could get the answer no problem but how I got it wasn't always easy to show.
          Some of the stuff is still easy some I don't even remember ever doing...
          Its fun though. PT for the brain....
          YOU DONT HAVE TO TRAIN TO BE MISERABLE. YOU HAVE TO TRAIN TO ENDURE MISERY.

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          • cabinetman
            Gone but not Forgotten RIP
            • Jun 2006
            • 15216
            • So. Florida
            • Delta

            #20
            Originally posted by Chris Curry

            I am desporate and we all know it, but you don't want the lad thinking his Dad is a halfwit - do you?
            Thanks

            Chris
            If you explain how to lay out the problem as it is read, explain the steps involved in solving it, he should learn on his own. You proving you're not a half wit doesn't help his learning process. Teaching him to think has to happen before solving the problem.

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            • Alex Franke
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              • Feb 2007
              • 2641
              • Chapel Hill, NC
              • Ryobi BT3100

              #21
              I used to tutor math, and it was usually very helpful to the students when I used a Socratic method type of an approach to the problems -- ask lots of questions about how the problem might be broken down or approached. Things like "Is any part of this familiar or solvable," "why would it be broken into these parts?" "would it make sense to start by multiplying everything out?"

              This was *really* helpful when I didn't even know the answer because we could often rediscover it by throwing around ideas. They would learn that for the most part they already know the mechanics of how to solve the problem -- they just don't know how to approach it, or how to apply those mechanics.

              On another note, I'm surprised that nobody has posted a spoiler for my "proof" that 2=1!
              Last edited by Alex Franke; 03-23-2007, 07:56 AM. Reason: fixed typos
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              • JR
                The Full Monte
                • Feb 2004
                • 5636
                • Eugene, OR
                • BT3000

                #22
                Originally posted by Thom2
                42 ... the answer HAS TO BE 42
                Chuckle
                JR

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                • jziegler
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                  • Aug 2005
                  • 1149
                  • Salem, NJ, USA.
                  • Ryobi BT3100

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Alex Franke
                  Here's one I like:

                  Code:
                  Let a = 1 and b = 1
                  
                  Obviously...       a^2 = a^2
                  and...             b^2 = ab
                  
                  subtract...        a^2 - b^2 = a^2 - ab
                  factor...          (a+b)(a-b) = a(a-b)
                  cancel (a-b)...    (a+b) = a
                  substitute...      (1+1) = 1
                  
                  simplify...        2=1
                  You're likely to get a spoiler as a reply here, but after you solve the first one for him in the morning, tell him, "That was easy -- now here's one that'll really get you thinking" and walk through this problem!
                  You divided by zero, therefore the whole thing is invalid after the cancel (a-b) step. By canceling (a-b), you are adding the condition that a != b so that you don't divide by zero. Or, really, since you divided both by zero, you proved that infinity = infinity. Hmmm... what happens when you make it a limit problem...

                  Jim

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                  • Alex Franke
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                    • Feb 2007
                    • 2641
                    • Chapel Hill, NC
                    • Ryobi BT3100

                    #24
                    Originally posted by jziegler
                    You divided by zero, therefore the whole thing is invalid after the cancel (a-b) step. By canceling (a-b), you are adding the condition that a != b so that you don't divide by zero. Or, really, since you divided both by zero, you proved that infinity = infinity. Hmmm... what happens when you make it a limit problem...
                    Exactly!

                    Infinity has some pretty weird properties. Add any real number to infinity and you get infinity. Multiply any real number by infinity and get infinity (unless it's a negative number, in which case you'd get negative infinity). Add or multiply infinity and infinity and get infinity. Hmmm...

                    And then you have different infinities -- some larger than others. Aleph-null, Aleph-1... it gets weirder and weirder as you go along...
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