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  • 430752
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2004
    • 855
    • Northern NJ, USA.
    • BT3100

    #1

    Computer Help Pls! Video Cards.

    If the learned members could help me with a computer problem, I'd be mighty appreciative.

    Today I swapped out my video card in favor of a newer card. Now, my display is kinda blurry (like as written by a felt tip pen, not a ball point). It's kinda like when I switched from CRT to LCD and didn't know to use the native resolution of the lcd monitor at first, its blurry, kinda, but not at all unusable.

    The particulars, I have an older dell dimension 8250 with P4/2.4ghz using intel 850 mobo chipset running XP Pro, Samsung 171v 17" lcd monitor. Thew whole setup is from like december 2002. I had an nVidia ge 4mx card with 64 on board ram in an agp slot. I dunno if my mobo supports 2x, 4x or 8x agp, So I bought a 4x/8x compatible Norwood ATI 9250 AGP card with 256 ram ( I know nto a great card, but cheap and should be better than the older 4mx card). Yes, I did remvoe the nVidia driver before installing (but note below). I swapped the cards, installed the ATI software, and it works, but as mentioend above its a littler blurrry, or more precisely, it looks like the fonts "bleed" into the pixels next to them, eveything looks "heavier".

    I've gone into the control panel and here is something a bit odd. Despite removing the nvidia software thru add/remove programs, the nvidia control panels still show. One is nVidia control panel and the other is nVidia destop manager. However, they appear to be broken links since if I select or try to double click either, nothing happens. Now in reverse, there is no ATI control panel. However, when I go into the display control panel and select advanced, all the ATI tabs are there for various settings. I've tried several different settings, etc. Dunno if this means anythign, but thought I'd add it in.

    Here's another oddity. I used to run at 1064x768 resolution and it was sharp, not like a top of the line thing, but sharp all the same. Here, I kept the original 1064x768 and the bleeding or heaviness was pretty significant. So, to make things better, I;m now running 1280x1024. It helps, although still a bit heavy. I thought the resoltion was native to the lcd panel, not the video card, thus why would it be better at higher res?

    Well anyway, if anyone can help me sort through this I'd appreciate it. Like I said, the thing is workable and does seem faster, but the fonts (in particlar) seem rendered heavier or with a bleeding edge. I got the card since notice some slow video perofrmance and also newer games won't play on the 4mx card (not that I'm much of a game player, but....) , so I'd hate to give up a sharp card just to get a working, blurry card.

    Did I do something wrong, or its it just a old system matched with a crappy card? (and then do you recommend velocty micro, falcon, alienware, or dell xps systems )

    Thanks,

    curt j.
    A Man is incomplete until he gets married ... then he's FINISHED!!!
  • RayintheUK
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2003
    • 1792
    • Crowborough, East Sussex, United Kingdom.
    • Ryobi BT3000

    #2
    Can't help with that specific card, but a couple of suggestions:

    1) Did you visit the manufacturer's site to see if there's a later driver? Often, the ones that come on the CD are way behind the current version of the drivers on the web site.

    2) Aside from the resolution, have you tried altering the refresh rate (Desktop, Properties, Settings, Advanced, Monitor)? If a selected rate doesn't work, just wait 15 seconds and the original setting will be restored, providing that you've got the "Apply the new display settings without restarting" button checked in the "General" tab of the properties box.

    Ray.
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    • Chris_B
      Established Member
      • Apr 2006
      • 216
      • Cupertino, CA

      #3
      Hi Curt -

      Here is what I recommend:

      1) Uninstall all video drivers from Control Panel (again).

      2) Download and run the free version of Driver Cleaner. Use this to remove all traces of NVIDIA & ATI drivers. Follow the step-by-step instructions exactly. FYI, if you spend 5 Euros on the "Platinum" edition it is even easier to use.

      3) Reboot, and cancel out of any 'helpful' dialogs that WinXP pops-up when it re-discovers your new card.

      4) Download & install the latest supported drivers from ATI for the 9250. This is a mere 58MB.
      I think this process includes at least one re-boot. Note that these drivers require WinXP Service Pack 2 (which you should definitely be running anyway). Right-click on "My Computer" and select "Properties" to check for SP2.

      5) Check to make sure that your refresh rate is 60Hz (no flicker problems with LCD panels). Lots of ways to do this, but I generally right-click on the desktop, select properties, settings, advanced, monitor.

      6) Set the resolution to 1280x1024 (the native resolution of your Samsung 171v LCD monitor), press the "Auto" button on the monitor, and you should be good to go.

      7) I use a program from Nokia to set the brightness and contrast. Most people set both way too high.

      BTW, your H/W has plenty of pep for normal word processing and web surfing. Gaming would definitely require a video upgrade, but if it feels sluggish in normal use the issue is probably software bloat that can be fixed.

      Good luck,

      Chris

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      • Chris_B
        Established Member
        • Apr 2006
        • 216
        • Cupertino, CA

        #4
        BTW, also double-check the physical connections on both ends of the video cable to make sure they are securely fastened. Loose connectors do strange things.

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        • just4funsies
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2005
          • 843
          • Florida.
          • BT3000

          #5
          The above suggestions are right-on... In addition, you may want to check that the new graphics board is seated properly in the MB, and that no "dust bunnies" got plugged in with it. Also, if you are using the 15-pin connector to the monitor, you will want to check that no pins were bent or crushed when you plugged it into the new graphics card.
          ...eight, nine, TEN! Yep! Still got all my fingers!

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          • rickd
            Established Member
            • Jan 2004
            • 422
            • Cowichan Bay, 30 mi. north of Victoria, B.C., Canada.
            • Ryobi BT3100

            #6
            Pretty much the same advice as the others! Check the Control Panel 'system' setting to make sure the old card is completely removed. Remove all traces and instances of the old driver and card - even delete any remaining directories and files that you can see - might be some in the Program files directory.

            Then reinstall your new video card, boot-up and follow the prompts. That should get you up and running with your new card - unless there is some other hardware related problem.
            rick doyle

            Rick's Woodworking Website

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            • 430752
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2004
              • 855
              • Northern NJ, USA.
              • BT3100

              #7
              Thanks!

              Will try the advice tonight. I'd say half I don't need to do since I made sure to do it right the first time, but I know how things are and it could exactly be something so stupid as a seating problem or connection problem.

              thanks again,

              Curt J.
              A Man is incomplete until he gets married ... then he's FINISHED!!!

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              • jseklund
                Established Member
                • Aug 2006
                • 428

                #8
                I'd agree with the above posts for starters.

                I haven't used the drive cleaner, but there is a free cleaner that you can get on download.com called CCleaner. You can use that to remove programs, and if the drivers are really gone but the entries are still in the list it has the option to remove it from the list. Don't know if Drive cleaner is a better program or not, since I haven't used it- but either should work fine.

                Also, it may not be the video card that is the problem. Try hitting the auto-adjust feature on the monitor. It may have set itself to your old card, and now (since the new card is there with different settings) it is not optimized. Try letting it set itself to the new card. You can follow the steps listed on Samsung's website at this link for more detail on procedures:

                http://erms.samsungusa.com/customer/...=28&PROD_ID=-1


                Hope this helps- let us know!
                F#$@ no good piece of S#$% piece of #$@#% #@$#% #$@#$ wood! Dang. - Me woodworking

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                • just4funsies
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 843
                  • Florida.
                  • BT3000

                  #9
                  Originally posted by 430752
                  I'd say half I don't need to do since I made sure to do it right the first time, but I know how things are and it could exactly be something so stupid as a seating problem or connection problem.
                  Assume NOTHING until it's working right... It only takes a minute to check. Be methodical, and don't take shortcuts.
                  ...eight, nine, TEN! Yep! Still got all my fingers!

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                  • mac_daddy
                    Forum Newbie
                    • May 2006
                    • 84
                    • Sugar Land, TX
                    • BT3000

                    #10
                    Also, try booting into safe mode. You can either hit F8 key when the windows XP logo is displayed and then booting onto the machine without the supplemental drivers loading. This will load a non driver laden desktop to allow you to unload and graphics utility software.

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                    • 25
                      Established Member
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 294
                      • League City, Tx, USA.
                      • BT3100

                      #11
                      Originally posted by just4funsies
                      Assume NOTHING until it's working right... It only takes a minute to check. Be methodical, and don't take shortcuts.
                      Best advice ever. If it's not working and you assume you did certain parts right and don't go back to check it sucks even more when that turns out to be what is wrong. I don't even want to talk about the number of times I've been bitten by this.

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                      • Jeffrey Schronce
                        Veteran Member
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 3822
                        • York, PA, USA.
                        • 22124

                        #12
                        I don't have experience with that Monitor or card. I use a 4 monitor card w/ (4) 21" Dell LCD's.
                        I had a heck of a time with the initial set up. Turned out that most of my issues were with drivers/software required of the Dell LCD DVI monitors rather than the card. If your connection is DVI (and your monitor is digital LCD) instead of VGA (monitor analogue) then you may be looking at software issues for the monitor. You may have hooked your digital LCD monitor via VGA cable in the past or it could be you used LCD monitor via DVI cable but there is a compatibility issue with the card. Again, Samsung should have current software that may help.

                        Heed all other advice given as well, as this is additive advice versus replacement.

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                        • Scottydont
                          Veteran Member
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 2359
                          • Edmonds, WA, USA.
                          • Delta Industrial Hybrid

                          #13
                          Good advise about using Driver Cleaner pro to remove any traces of the old driver that may be causing a confilict. Make sure and download the latest video drivers from the manufacturers website. This may be obvious but higher end video cards have a seperate power connection that comes from your power supply. Your old card probably did not. Did you plug it in? It is possible that you may have a bad card.
                          Scott
                          "The Laminate Flooring Benchtop Guy"

                          Edmonds WA

                          No coffee, no worky!

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                          • scorrpio
                            Veteran Member
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 1566
                            • Wayne, NJ, USA.

                            #14
                            First problem is this being Dell - In all cases dealing with their desktops, I found they come up with oddest problems when trying to upgrade. I am almost sure they install some proprietary stuff that will make most customers return to them for upgrades. I personally would not touch a desktop Dell with a 10-foot pole, and advise friends and relatives of same. Some who went for a Dell dspite my warning have since regretted.

                            And when we get to something like a video card brand switch, this is usually a nightmare even on a lean mean custom build. I tried upgrading an nVidia to ATI before without full OS reinstall - nothing good came out of it. Their software is more tenacious than some of the worst spyware. Oh, and this does not concern your mobo, but putting an ATI card into an nForce-powered mobo is asking for it.

                            Anyways, I'd consider nothing less but a full OS reinstall for this, but if you are willing to tinker some first, what you might be seeing is 'Font Smoothing'. This feature primarily benefits CRTs, where fonts are anti-aliased in order to look smoother - but on LCDs, they just end up looking out of focus. Most 17" LCDs have a native 1280x1024. Running at that resolution and with font smoothing(antialiasing) off, you should get a sharp picture.

                            Far as which machine I'd recommend: None. Low ends like Dell cut every possible corner to make profit. This includes inferior power supplies, el-cheapo RAM. Mobos, CPUs and other components that are 'second rate' and thus manufacturers would not want them in boxes on store shelves wearing their brand. High end boutiques like Falcon or Voodoo build awesome rigs but charge an arm and a leg for them. For a high-performance PC, the way to go is to build one. I just put togeather a real nice system for my uncle: An Athlon64 X2 4600+ in an AM2 socket Asus mobo, 2GB of Corsair XMS DDR2 RAM, GeForce 7900GT/256MB, 2x 250GB Western digital drives, all powered with a 480W Antec SmartPower, total cost less than $1400.

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                            • 430752
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 855
                              • Northern NJ, USA.
                              • BT3100

                              #15
                              Thanks all!

                              Thanks all for the replies and assistance. I haven't actually yet done anything on it since my post since many things have come up since then. Still trying out the new dad thing (been 3 mos, never announced here) and this was one of the reasons for the upgrade - to get my photo editing programs working quicker than they were (beyond also wanting to play a game while on night "patrol"). One of these days I'll get a block of time. This is what upset me after the first (and few) blocks of tiime I had - that it didn't fully work.

                              curt j.
                              A Man is incomplete until he gets married ... then he's FINISHED!!!

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