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  • Tom J
    Established Member
    • Sep 2003
    • 418
    • Springfield, IL, USA.

    #1

    Sump Pump Question

    I live in Springfield, Illinois. A week and a half ago we got hit with a tornado. My damages were limited, but one of the things I suffered was a flooded basement because of a power outage which caused my sump pump to not function. Truth be told I probably would have gotten some seepage even without the loss of power, which leads me to my question.

    I was watching TOH last night. Tommy Silva helped a lady out that had some water in her basement. He augmented an existing drain system by installing a sump pump. The sump pump well he used was made of plastic and appeared to be about three feet tall. After he jacked hammered the hole in the concrete and dug out the hole for the pit, he cut the bottom off the plastic well and put some type of mess under the open hole to keep dirt and silt from clogging the sump pump. He then put some grave in the pit until he had it to a satisfactory height to set the pump upon.

    My sump pump was retrofitted into the house before I purchased it. It does not tie into any type of drain system. The pit is ceramic and about two feet deep with a solid bottom. Holes were either predrilled or drilled into the side walls of the pit at installation. Water comes through these holes, the pit fills up and the pump kicks on, providing I have power. Dispite the pump being installed I still get some seepage. I suspect this is because of a lack of perimeter drain. I know I may have to put a drain in, but I was wonder if I would increase my pumps efficiency if I replaced the existing pit with something like Tommy put in. I am thinking the extra depth may draw more water to the pump and lessen the seepage.

    I assume were Tommy installed the sump pump was in New England. I don't know what the soil is like there, but at that depth in my area I would run into fairly densely compacted clay. So I am wondering if the extra depth may not be of much benefit.

    What are your thoughts? Thanks.
  • newbie2wood
    Established Member
    • Apr 2004
    • 453
    • NJ, USA.

    #2
    The sump pump does not have to be tied to any drain system as long as there is outlet that carrys the water away from the house. The water should not dump around the base of the house.

    A 2 feet sump pit also seems shallow. I never measured my sump pit but its about arms length (around 3 feet).

    More importantly, you need to determine if your pump is adequate sized for your basement. If you are getting seepage, the water is obviously filling the pit faster than the pump can drain it. You should consider a larger pump or add another pump on top of it (basically a backup pump).
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    Last edited by newbie2wood; 09-15-2011, 03:55 AM.

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    • greencat
      Established Member
      • Dec 2005
      • 273
      • Grand Haven Mi
      • 3100

      #3
      Water seepage is difficult to determine. Water will take the easy path. So if you dig deeper the water may still come into the basement because it is easier to enter the basement then it is to travel around the house to your pit. If you had tile (perimeter drain) in place then it might flow into the tile and into the pit. I had a fairly new house with perimeter drain and still had seepage.

      I think the first step is to take a look at the outside and try and determine where the water is coming from. Do you have down spouts exiting close to the home? Do you have land sloping into your home? Or do you live in an area that has a high water table? Most older homes never had a sump but survive because the run off water is kept from the home.

      Good Luck
      Thanks again,
      Mike

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      • onedash
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2005
        • 1013
        • Maryland
        • Craftsman 22124

        #4
        I was doing a little research for my parents and found Farm and Fleet sels battery back ups for sump pumps. I am guessing they are a little more heavy duty than and UPS for a computer and im sure they dont have any smart switches or anything. It won't stop a leak but it will cover you during a power outage.
        YOU DONT HAVE TO TRAIN TO BE MISERABLE. YOU HAVE TO TRAIN TO ENDURE MISERY.

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        • Tom J
          Established Member
          • Sep 2003
          • 418
          • Springfield, IL, USA.

          #5
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          Just for clarification. I have checked around the house, the land does slop away from the house and I do have downspouts that carry the water away from the building. I think the problem is a high water table. Everyone on my block has this problem to a greater or lesser extent. Some have had tiles installed by having the perimeter of their basement broken out and a tile installed. This seems to fix the problem. I was hoping that I may be able to get away with something cheaper, but I suspect that I am being pound foolish and penny wise.

          Thanks for the responses and I look forward to anything anyone else has to add.

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          • greencat
            Established Member
            • Dec 2005
            • 273
            • Grand Haven Mi
            • 3100

            #6
            If you think it is high water then I would try a deeper sump first. Or try digging a deep hole to see if it fills with water. The sad thing about adding tile is that there is no guarantee that you would not still get seepage.
            Thanks again,
            Mike

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