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  • poolhound
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2006
    • 3195
    • Phoenix, AZ
    • BT3100

    Square my Square

    This old square belonged to my grandfather. It is ebony with a brass face and unfortunately not quite square. I could file down the blade somewhat and make it serviceable but the issue is really where the brass joins the ebony. There is a gap between them and the bass face is not straight or square.

    Any ideas on how to make this workable or maybe I just use for rough "close enough" work.

    Jon

    Phoenix AZ - It's a dry heat
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  • LCHIEN
    Internet Fact Checker
    • Dec 2002
    • 20966
    • Katy, TX, USA.
    • BT3000 vintage 1999

    #2
    Grinding the blade down won't keep the sides parallel and may be hard to even keep the ground edge straight.

    the first thing that jumps to mind is that it needs to be reset. I might consider drilling out the two diamonds to the right leaving the one on the left as a "pivot" temporarily.
    Set the square so its truly square using the ability to pivot and then clamp it where its square. Drill a 1/8 or 3/16 drill and some roll pins to lock the right side - I'd carefully drill to the right of the two diamonds.

    Now you've sort of got it locked with the roll pin and no play.
    Now drill out the two diamond holes and use screws and nuts with clearance just to lock the ebony to the blade. Won't look as pretty as the original but it will be square.
    Loring in Katy, TX USA
    If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
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    • capncarl
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 3568
      • Leesburg Georgia USA
      • SawStop CTS

      #3
      If you file the sides square you would have a mess! Are the diamonds really nuts? The other side may have the screw head concealed under similar shapes of some cover for the screw heads. I'd do a little probing before I did anything drastic. These old tools were very well built and usually had built in adjustments, you just have to know how to find them. They don't build them like this any more. I have a couple of flexible steel rulers that have been broken and repaired by splicing a simular piece onto the side and riveting it. You wouldn't know it was a repair without close inspection, and it's still very accurate.
      capncarl

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      • wardprobst
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2006
        • 681
        • Wichita Falls, TX, USA.
        • Craftsman 22811

        #4
        If the blade is not square, I would attempt to move it and reset the pins under/in the diamonds first. It doesn't take much and that's an attractive piece. You can reset them with a ball peen hammer and small punch.
        DP
        www.wardprobst.com

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        • JimD
          Veteran Member
          • Feb 2003
          • 4187
          • Lexington, SC.

          #5
          I would also try tapping it in the direction it needs to move. It probably won't move but might.

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          • Healey
            Forum Newbie
            • Mar 2014
            • 6
            • New Hampshire
            • Ryobi BT3000

            #6
            I have three like that, in three different sizes. The smallest is square, the other two are not. I tried forcing and tapping one of the others, but to no avail.

            Were my father alive, he'd know how to fix it. (knowledge lost must be regained by trial and error) I don't think the "pins" in the diamonds are screws, I think they are draw pins. I'm going to see if they will drive out. If so, then leaving one as a pivot, it can be squared and slightly larger holes can be drilled and re-pinned.

            While checking for square, I discovered that two of my modern combination squares were not square either.

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            • poolhound
              Veteran Member
              • Mar 2006
              • 3195
              • Phoenix, AZ
              • BT3100

              #7
              I found this excellent article on exactly the issue i.e. separation between the brass wear plate and the wooden stock.

              Fixing old tri-squares like these is simply more a mixture of metalworking and woodworking, planing and filing and so on, than a trade specific craft. We shouldn’t dismiss these tools because they are…


              He also indicates that the pins are fitted in a way that makes them not easily removable. I am going to try and remove/repair the brass plate and wood stock and see where I stand. It gives me a good reason to properly sharpen and setup my cheap bullnose plane
              Jon

              Phoenix AZ - It's a dry heat
              ________________________________

              We all make mistakes and I should know I've made enough of them
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